Saturday, April 08, 2017

Vino el Amor, #114/115, Friday Apr 7, 2017: Gracie Tastes the Rainbow

Episode 114. Fernanda's Party

Cut scene: Luci, Susan, and David (in vest) talk about the winery's success, especially with becoming the Sunset restaurant's house wine. David is excited, and grateful to both of them.


Montage: Juan gives Perla some earrings; Luci, Susan, and Dave work together, and vestless Dave is smiling, but Luci looks sad after he leaves the room; Erika, Miguel, and Adolfo are working together, and they're laughing and cheering; Marta and Ramon work on something together in the kitchen, and shirtless Tano approves.


Dave plays video games with Bobby and a very bored Disgrace.


Miguel comes in with Erika's medication; Tano gets a text from Fer; Luci and Susan work some more; Sofia pulls Leon into an empty office. (End of montage)


Fernanda's test score has arrived, which means the montage covered about a week. She opens the envelope and announces to her family and Marta that she got "more than 1300 points." Not sure why so vague, but it's more than she needs for the school she wants to go to. Cheers and hugs.

Is that supposed to be a dress on Fernanda? I thought it was a nightshirt.

Adolfo shows Erika the Sunset restaurant's website, which is now boasting that they carry both Vino el Amor and Vino el Romance. Erika is disappointed and says, "so Luciana pulled it off." (Notice she doesn't say "so David pulled it off.") Adolfo tells her that when they win the big contest, restaurants will be begging to feature them as their house wine. But Erika thinks the restaurant's endorsement will mean points in favor of Bodega de Los Angeles in the contest. She is taking this very hard.

Cut scene: Graciela says they should have a dinner party to celebrate Fernanda's success. David agrees to let her invite Tano and her friends. Fer also invites Marta.

Cut scene: Erika is still fuming about Sunset. She doesn't like to lose. She's determined to beat David and Luciana.

Cut scene: Bobby is playing video games when Luciana arrives with some candy. He sulkily turns off the TV and sulks. She tells him there really has been a lot of work at the vineyard, and she finally gets him to smile. He tells her about the fútbol school and Fer's test.

Cesar congratulates David for getting the deal with Sunset, the most esteemed restaurant in the SF Bay area. David admits that it's thanks to Luciana. Cesar is glad that at least they're still "together" in business. Dave says it's because of the passion she has for the wine and the land.

Cesar mentions all the good luck David's had lately, Fernanda's improvement, the success of the immigrants' foundation, Bobby doing okay, etc. David credits most of this to Graciela. Cesar quickly replies that David deserves much of the credit as well. But David confirms that, much to his surprise, she's dedicated herself 100% to the kids just as she promised in her press conference.

Luci mopes around Susan's office (while Susan is concentrating on something) and sullenly insists that nothing is wrong. (I'm distracted by the jumbo slice of agate Susan is wearing as a pendant.) She tells Susan about the visit with Bobby. It's looking as though she's being edged out by Graciela, who also (through that fútbol player Cristiano, to whom Grace once sold a painting - hey maybe it was the foot painting) is helping Bobby get into a footie school. And Fernanda passed her test. Luci says she's happy for her (she doesn't look it), but she's hurt that she didn't get to play a role in all these good things.

(Now Susan and Luci are standing closer together than Luci usually stands with David.)

Luci's especially miffed that the woman Luci called a hypocrite, uninterested in the kids, now appears to be anything but. Luci is beginning to doubt herself. Maybe all this good fortune really is thanks to Grace, and Luci is the only one who's in the way.

Cut scene: Cesar and David with wine, discussing more of same. Then they discuss Cesar's love life. Susan is filled with fears and nightmares. David suggests that they try to get away for a few days, but Cesar says she'd rather concentrate on work. He's thinking maybe he should give her some space.

Cut scene: Luci and Susan talk about more of same. Susan encourages Luci to keep up the fight. Luci wants to find out if Grace is sincere about the kids. Luci says she'll stop fighting for David the day that he says he loves someone else.

Cut scene: Lilian, Grace, Sonia, and Marta plan Fer's party. Marta is well-behaved, but when Sonia says that Fernanda is smart like her father, Lil cuts in and says "like her mother, too." Marta offers to make Fer's favorite sushi and cake, but Lil decrees that they will order the sushi from a restaurant, and Sonia will make the cake. Sonia is taken aback. Grace will order flowers, and Lil says she'll invite Gut.

(still cut scene): Lil and Grace leave. Marta tells Sonia she'll help with the cake. Sonia is still stunned by what just happened. Marta says the important thing is that "mi niña" gets the celebration she deserves.

(combined scene): Fernanda tells Tano that she passed the test. He congratulates her, and they kiss. She invites him to the party. He's not sure at first, but he agrees.

Grace gloats to Lilian in Lil's room. Lil isn't happy at all; she's chafing because Marta was invited to Fernanda's celebration dinner. She's so offended by this, she actually makes Grace look sane for a moment. Grace reminds her mother that soon Fer will be at university and Bobby will be at fútbol school, and Marta won't be a problem. Lil looks forward to Bobby ending up in Spain. Lil wants to know, what about her? Grace says that when she finally gets Dave, she'll have Marta and Luciana thrown out. (Notice this doesn't answer Lil's question.)

(combined scene): I think Fer just told Tano that they can be a couple now?

(cut scene): Lil warns that even if she's won over the kids and become more important to Davaid, that doesn't mean he'll fall in love with her. Gracie is sure she can do it. Lil wants Marta and Luciana thrown out sooner. Gracie wants to do it her way. She stomps out of Lil's room.

(cut scene): Juan wants intel from Carito. Perla said she hasn't heard from her, and besides, Carito's mad at Perla. Juan insists. Perla says no. Juan says something about all the jewelry and gifts he's given her, I don't catch what he says about that, but it changes Perla's mind and she agrees to call Carito. Carito is mopping the floor and says she's too busy to talk and will call back later, but Perla says that she needs Carito. Carito says it's not because of Perla, but because of Juan. Perla invites Carito over and says she won't repeat anything to Juan. Carito reluctantly agrees. Juan rewards Perla with kisses.

Dave likes Luci's presentation/brochure for the wine contest, which now mentions that they're Sunset's house wine. She says she feels confident (not what she told Susan earlier). He tells her that Fernanda passed her test; Luci already heard about that from Bobby. Hesitantly, David says that their sacrifice is finally paying off.

Miguel is excited - he informs Erika that they're starting to get more requests for the Fronteras wine. Miguel's phone bleeps - it's time for Erika's medicine. (Why can't Erika keep track of this herself?) He wants her to stay healthy for all of their plans and dreams.

Adolfo enters with some proofs of marketing collateral for the competition, and it's good. Erika thinks they have a real chance of winning - and it's clear again that she especially wants to beat Bodega de LA.

Cut scene: Luci and Dave more of same. Fernanda is doing really well, teaching English to the immigrants. Luci says she's happy for all his good fortune. He wants to adjust his working hours so he can spend more time with the kids. She agrees that there's no substitute for family time, and she's glad for him and the kids. Dave utterly fails to hear the things that she isn't saying, and I'm disappointed in her for not saying them.

Fernanda is wearing a nice dress for her dinner party. Fer's friend Caroline and the other nitwit (both dressed casually) have arrived, the amateur bartender and pharmacist. Tano (also dressed casually) is next. Fernanda is saying how much Grace helped her. Lil has a strange expression on her face, somewhere between a scowl and a smirk.


Luci tells Susan she's not happy to have been left out of the party, but it's really not her place. She had told David that as long as he and the kids were happy, it was all worth the sacrifice of their love. She can't even call Grace a liar when they're currently celebrating as a happy family. She's very pleased for David and Fer and Bobby, but she's hurt that she had to be away from him for that to happen. Everything went wrong for them when they were together.

Cut scene: Lil brings Fer a gift that was supposedly sent by Gutierrez, who couldn't come because of an emergency (like he'd rather slit his own throat than be with Lil?). Graciela has good news too: Cristiano was able to get Bobby into the fútbol school and he can sign up now.


Cut scene: Bobby celebrates. David thanks Grace, and she says she did it all for Bobby. Then she clutches Dave's shoulder possessively.

Cut scene: Susan tells Luciana to hang in there. She offers more advice that I can't get, but I'm not sure Susan should be giving advice anyway... Luci is worried that all of the family's problems were her fault. Since Fernanda had her original breakdown (with the pills) there hasn't been a day that she didn't feel guilty. Susan tells her to just let things unfold. She's sure that Luci and Dave will be back together before they know it.

Carito visits at Juan and Perla's place. She's supposed to have an intel report on Dave's World of Wine, but all she says is that she not comfortable there. She can get a job at Adolfo's Groovy Grapes. Juan (who I think Carito wasn't expecting to see) is opposed to this, and says that they're all friends, and friends don't BETRAY one another. He says this in a very mild tone and his face is pleasant, but adds that Mark deserved what he got for screwing them over. Carito gets the message and asks if he's threatening her. He says nooooo, I could never hurt a friend of Perla's. And then he smiles, very friendly-like, and I think I see The Joker again.

Cut scene: Bobby is still excited about fútbol school, and Lil makes sure that everyone knows it was all because of Grace. Fernanda thanks Grace for helping her and her brother. Grace is so deeply touched by Fer's words. "You are my life," she says, hugging them.

Cut scene: Carito tells Perla she can't do it. Perla says that Juan is protecting both of them. Carito doesn't think so. Perla promises that he won't hurt Carito. Perla would go to the police first. Carito doesn't want any more trouble. Perla advises Carito to go back to the vineyard. Carito tells Perla to beware of Juan.

Cut scene: Fernanda says goodbye to her friends. Then she talks to Tano and I don't get most of it, but I think she's applying for a scholarship. David smiles as he watches them.

Marta comes home from Fernanda's party. She tells Luci they were all smiles, but she felt out of place. Luci is depressed. She thinks she's lost David forever. His life is all fixed up and there's no place in it for her. She thought they could get back together when things were better, but it's not looking that way. Marta tries to comfort her. Luci knew it wouldn't be easy, but she didn't think Graciela would be the one to put everything in order.

Luci says, "they say that when you truly love, the only thing you want is to see the other doing well and feeling content. I am truly glad to see David so happy, but I can't help feeling sad." Marta says that's normal. Luci cries.

Fernanda thanks Grace and her father for helping her out and letting her friends (especially Tano) come to the party. She goes off to bed. David then admits to Grace that he's been unfair to her, and he's grateful for all of her help. She says that she's not "expecting anything in return for my love of ustedes," but she moves in verrry close, and OH MY EYES!!! Not only is he not resisting her kiss, he's participating. This isn't the galan paralysis disease, this is the GALAN FAIL disease.

Oh, it's horrible. I see teeth. I see her little nose smooshing up against his cheek. I see her getting a mouthful of whiskers. Where's my tequila?

This could be a documentary film to scare kids off of kissing. (It's actually much less horrible than Luci and Dave, but I never had to recap one of their kisses. And I'm pretty sure that we weren't zoomed in as tight on their faces. This is an EXTREEEEEME close-up and it's just freaking horrible.)

Episode 115. The Horror Deepens.

Cut scene: Finally, David and Grace come up for air. Grace pretends to be shocked by what just happened - and excited to know that he feels the same way. David's reply is a little more measured; he acknowledges that she's supported him in everything, and she's pretty, intelligent, and talented, but he wants to do things the right way. He doesn't want to make the same mistake as last time. She agrees that they should get to know each other better. He's so handsome, she says, it's not right that he should be alone!

Meanwhile, Luci is still crying about David. I sort of feel like crying, too, because the irony is like a thumbtack in my shoe. Marta tells Luci she's still got plenty of life left to live. Luci can't believe that something that once made her so happy is now causing so much pain. Marta says that we learn from these painful moments in life. (And what do we learn from these moments? What did you learn, Marta?)

Grace is all "emocionada" over being "more than a friend" to Dave. Dave says let's take it easy and "let time decide." He doesn't want to mistake gratitude for "something else." (Well... I am confused. When he was grateful to Miguel and Erika for helping him out with the irrigation system, did he kiss them too?) She's willing to let things go little by little, but she promises he won't be sorry. (And there's an undercurrent in her manner that is clearly saying "Let's go to Vegas right now!")

Then she kisses him again. It's quick, but I think she stole some of his Skittles.

Lil is reading a book called Lady Killer. Graciela comes in all excited. Lil is still grumpy about the party and doesn't want to hear Grace's news, but since Grace won't go away, Lil consents to listen. "We kiiiissed," Grace sings, and Lil rolls her eyes. "Kisses don't assure the love of anyone," she says, and she would know.

They're going to start dating, Grace says. "Oh, dating," Lil repeats sarcastically, and warns that if Luciana is just like her mother - as she seems - she won't let Grace be happy with David. Grace says that she is nothing like Lil; she would never permit Luciana to be David's lover the way Marta was with Grace's father.

Full moon, and now daytime.

Cesar tries to make lunch plans with Susan, but she bustles around the lab, trying to avoid his gaze, and says no, she has to prepare samples for the competition. Then she'll go to bed. (Did I get that wrong? It's morning.) She denies that she's avoiding him, but he doesn't buy it. He says it's supposed to feel good, being a team, being a couple, but that's not what's happening between them. He's not a fool. It shouldn't be a big deal to ask one's sweetie to lunch. He tells her to think things over. "Are you breaking up with me?" she asks. Cesar sighs and rolls his eyes.

Grace takes credit for preparing Bobby's breakfast and suggests to David and Bobby that they do something fun after enrolling at the fútbol school. (She is rubbing David's arm like she's trying to start a fire.) Bobby says she is just the greatest ever, and she says there's nothing she likes better than being with them, but she looks a little disconcerted as Bobby sits down to breakfast.

Cut scene: Susan asks again if Cesar is breaking up with her, and he says maybe she should be the one to say. She wants to talk things over at some other time and place. Cesar says he's supported her, been patient, affectionate, and respectful. He agrees that what she's been through was powerful, but nothing he's tried to do for her has been any help. He's hurt by her attitude. He deserves honesty.

Cut scene continued: "Well, if that's what you want!" Susan cries angrily, but Cesar says no, that's not what he wants, but it's what they need. She needs to put her past aside and move ahead. Otherwise, nothing's going to happen, and they can't be together. He'll go to a motel for a few days, and she can stay at the house. (This man is a saint. Just sayin'.) Angrily, she says she'll go to her old house. He doesn't want her to do that. He wants her to make a good decision, and if she goes to her old house she'll be surrounded by bad memories. But Susan thinks she needs to confront her fears. They hug, and he leaves.

Cut scene: I wish this hadn't been cut. Sonia has a stack of David's shirts. Unable to resist temptation, she takes a light sniff at the shirts. Puzzled, she takes another, more substantial sniff. Then she frowns and holds the shirts up to her face and huffs. No effect! She's got to find Leon!

Lilian goes to the police station, where Gutierrez has all the time in the world to listen to her grousing. He says he doesn't like her fighting with him. She's hurt because he didn't come to Fernanda's party last night. He says he didn't go to the party because he thought it would be a teeny-bopper thing, but she accuses him of skipping out because Marta would be there.

Luci goes to the house looking for Bobby, but Marta says he's away with David and Grace to sign up for fútbol school. They'll be away for the rest of the day. Luci is chapped - she's lost both David and Bobby.

At first Gut denies it, but then he admits it's true. He didn't want to hurt Marta. He is tired of Lilian using him to hurt Marta. He asks, why does Lil always pick on Marta when he's around? (Gut, it's not just when you're around. She's like a tree falling down in the forest.) Lil says she just can't help it, because Marta is a horrible person. Gut tells her to stop the trash talk. That just makes her madder. She says Marta wants nothing to do with him, even after he saved Luci's life. She begs him to forget about Marta. She makes a sad face and says it hurts her that he still cares for Marta. He points out that she's the one who keeps mentioning Marta! He sort of pats her arm, but that's all.

Luci asks Marta, how can she forget about David when everything she sees reminds her of him? Marta tries to convince her that Bobby's happiness should make it easier. Oh shut up Marta. Luciana says that Grace is doing all these wonderful things without expecting anything in return. (Ouch, there goes that thumbtack in my shoe again.) Marta suggests that it is Luciana, not Graciela, who is obsessed. (I would like to put a couple of thumbtacks in her shoes.) "When it comes to David, you never understand me," Luciana declares, and marches off.

Cut scene: Tano and Leon are packing filled wine bottles. Tano is saying he had a good time at the party. Sonia rushes up and mauls Leon. She yells to everyone that she loves Leon. He tries to silence her. She tells him that her nose never lies.

Cut scene: Perla brings home some groceries (paper bags, not plastic) and tells Juan she got what he wants for dinner, but wishes they could go to a restaurant once in a while. Juan says they need to be discreet. (Yeah, nothing raises suspicions like eating a meal.) He's frustrated that he's not getting any help from Carito. Perla says she talked to her, and she will get Carito to help, but Juan has to promise not to do anything to her.

Cut scene: Ramon brings Marta roses and wants to formalize their relationship. Marta is hesitant. He wants a chance to make her happy. (continued) Finally, Marta replies, "how can I say no?" He promises she won't be sorry. He's in love with her. He will always try to make her happy. (Marta says things too, but they're about appreciating his support and friendship.) They kiss.

The thrilling threesome come home from San Francisco, and Bobby tells Grace what a great time he had. He runs off to call Charlie and Summer. David thanks Grace for what she did for Bobby, and she says it comes from the heart. And now she wants to do something for David...

...there is a long, suspenseful pause...

...she would like the two of them to go eat someplace tonight. Alone. So that he can get to know her better as a potential mate and as a woman. Then she steals his Skittles again.

Susan tells Luci about Cesar taking off on her. She doesn't understand it. Luci tries to convince her that it was a very loving gesture for Cesar to give her some space to make up her mind. Susan does have some stuff to work out. Luci urges Susan not to let fear or depression get the best of her. She should fight for her love. Susan hopes it's not too late. Luci encourages her not to lose hope, but admits that she doesn't know what to do with herself.

Cut scene: Erika asks if Miguel has read that thing she sent him. No, he's been working on something else. But he closes the laptop to give Erika his full attention. She sits on his lap and says she's found some apartments they can look at. He's worried that they're taking this a bit fast, but he backpedals and says of course he wants to be with her for the rest of his life.

Cut scene: Luciana tells Susan that when she helped David out of his depression, she thought that would be the biggest problem they'd ever face. Now she knows she was wrong. Susan still thinks they'll end up together. Luci seems to think that if they win the contest, it will prove to David that they should be together. More of same.

Erika suggests to Miguel that they compile a list of restaurant prospects, but he is distracted. She is worried that he is having second thoughts about living together. He says he just has things on his mind that he needs to deal with.

Carito is in the employee kitchen, vigorously scrubbing a very clean counter, when Perla arrives, allegedly just to say hi. Carito is suspicious. Perla insists that not only is Juan not going to do anything to Carito, he's worried about her. Carito doesn't buy it and says if she's being quiet, it's because she doesn't want the same thing to happen to her that happened to Mark. Perla says Mark got what he deserved, and she'll ALWAYS defend Carito. "Even from Juan?" "That's what I'm telling you."

Perla wants to avoid running into anyone else, so she's going to leave now. But she tells Carito that even though she hasn't always shown it, she's her friend, and she's very important to Perla.

Lil bustles into the big house kitchen and announces to Sonia that for now on, Lil will be very busy. (Marta makes sarcastic comments.) She'll be doing publicity work for the sheriff, so she won't have time to watch over things here, so Sonia will have to take care of it. Marta says things are just fine here, and even more so when Lil isn't around.

Lil says that with the kids doing so well now, she's not going to let Marta ruin it. (I just noticed Lil's boobs. That must be some contraption she's wearing underneath.) Lil's pulling Marta off of nana duty. Marta will be cleaning the whole house. She can see the kids in her paltry free time, but Grace will be taking care of them. It's time Marta returned to her "proper place" in this house.

David is at the police station without an appointment and without a vest, but Gut agrees to see him. David wants an update on the spoiled wine investigation. Gut has no evidence against Juan. According to the investigation, Mark bought the succinic acid, and it was delivered to the place where the undocumented workers were kept - which was rented by Mark. David says he realizes that Mark did things to hurt Susan, but he had no reason to interfere with David's wine. "I guess we'll never know," is Gut's unsatisfactory reply. He's sorry, but that's all they've got.

David urges Gut to keep looking. Juan had a motive, and he was Mark's associate. Gut says Juan broke up with Mark (sure, months after the wine was ruined), but David says of course he did, and for exactly this reason.

Cut scene: Marta and Lil squabble some more. Sonia tries to stick up for Marta, but Lil says if they don't like it they can scram. She leaves. Sonia and Marta let off some steam. There's not much they can do, since the kids are happy. Sonia promises to help Marta be able to see the kids.

Cut scene: Gut agrees that it all makes sense, but he can't go forward without any evidence against Juan. The problem is, he had a hard enough time getting the case reopened. He doesn't have any resources to put towards it. He needs to close it soon. David says this is Gut's chance to get back on his good side. Gut says he wants to do it because it's right, not because it's a favor. Dave apologizes and thanks Gut for saving Luciana. Gut agrees to keep searching, "but don't get your hopes up." Dave warns Gut to be careful with Juan.

Night falls.

Marta and Ramon chat with Luci, Leon, Sonia, and Tano. In spite of the bad news about no longer being the nana, Marta seems to be in a pretty good mood. She lets Ramon give the news: "Marta and I are together." No one is very surprised! Sonia is especially excited and says it's just like some romance novel, and Leon pretends not to know what she's talking about. Ramon promises to do anything necessary to make Marta happy. Good luck with that, Ramon. Maybe someday, someone will promise to do as much for you. But for now, he is happy that she accepted his offer.

Luci asks her mother for a comment, and Marta says she's "content." Hugses. Oh, there's Carito, where'd she come from?

Cut scene: Adolfo is happy about some restaurants being interested in their wine, but Erika's head is somewhere else. She's afraid Miguel's not into moving in together. Adolfo says she should talk to him and clear things up.

David and Grace come back from dinner. He admits that he needed the distraction. She says she could talk to him for hours and hours and time just flies. He was grateful for the break from working on the wine. He is still talking about the contest. She interrupts and says that nothing worthwhile in life is easy. (Which means that she is not worthwhile.) But at last he'll be able to accomplish whatever he wants.

And then, because he is leaning away from her on the couch, she leans waaaaaay over to kiss him, snagging just a couple of Skittles, and then gets up and tells him to have faith. Good night!

Now the employees are drinking champagne. Carito wishes Marta and Ramon luck. Luci pulls Marta aside, and Marta says she realized too late that things happen for a reason, and we don't always get an answer when we'd like. And she means that for Luci. She just wants Luci to see that at times the answer is not what we want, but don't stop being good. (I'm sorry, did I get that wrong, or is this just another of Marta's bromides?)

Sonia congratulates Marta. Leon congratulates Ramon. Tano asks Marta to take care of his father and says that Marta has always been like a mother to him.

Morning. Lil tells Grace that Marta's no longer the nana. Grace is in full charge of the children. Grace is drinking coffee and totally misses the perfect opportunity for a spit-take. She is not on board with this plan, not at all. Lil says she can use Sonia. The important thing is to keep Marta away from the kids and make themselves indispensable. "But not at the cost of my free time!" Grace protests. Lil says Fer is always out doing teenage girl stuff, and Bobby will be away at soccer school - Lil will drive him (!!) - and the payoff will be greater than Grace can imagine.

Luci and Susan are ready to show David (back in the vest) their latest draft of the presentation. Luci reads: "What is it that we all yearn and seek for all of our lives? That someday we'll be able to feel the passion and sweetness in a sigh. And only El Romance can give us this. With fruity notes that waft softly on the palate with the flavors of blackberries and apricots, giving us the sensation of having kissed a person that we love. A wine made with love and delivered by hundreds of hands. With care with dedication, every grape is transformed into a unique wine. I invite you to taste El Romance."

David is very moved. He tells Luci that there's no way not to fall in love with her words. He embraces her passionately. He does not kiss her at this time.

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The body language between Dave and Grace is fascinating.

I will try to sleep now. I hope I don't have nightmares.

At least she's not drinking his blood yet.
 

ROFLOL at the title of your recap!


 

I love reading your recaps because your run ons and fill in the blanks are frequently my own "(I just noticed Lil's boobs. That must be some contraption she's wearing underneath.)" Thank you Julie

"This isn't the galan paralysis disease, this is the GALAN FAIL disease"

I spent too much time on Creepy Uncle Dave yesterday and exhausted and sure you guys are too.

Kimberly Dos Ramos successfully kissed GS without gagging, she deserves a lead protag role.
 

Gracias, Julie.

This is different to have the "galan" fall into the villana's trap so late in the game. It actually makes me wonder whether because this is taking place in the US and there are no actual marriages in this story whether Luciana will say "To hell with this" and walk away, thus moving on.

As to Kimberly Dos Ramos, I suspect she very much enjoys playing a bad girl. It is usually much more fun. In fact, Cynthia Klitbo once said this in an interview years ago.

A lot of David's facial expressions during these two episodes looked like he was either unaware of what he was doing or that Gabriel Soto was thinking "WTF are these writers doing to me now?"

More later.
 

Funtastic Jewels. Grace seems to have more of a stomach for a mouthful of whiskers than Luci did. I always assume these pumped up shaved chested pretty things just are not used to kissing WOMEN, but that's just me.

I wonder how many calories in a gnawful of Skittles. She better watch her figure.

I was looking for sprig of Charmin sticking out of Lillian's top.

Advice to SooSan: Your dreaded hubby is dead. So go ahead and prove conclusively to SiezeHer how totally flaky and nutty you are, so he can discard your psycho ass now, cut his losses, extricate you from his house and find a NORMAL woman. SiezeHer is a catch in your orbit: Not crazy, no baggage, employed, level headed, educated.
 

Kimy2Are Is killing this role. She is not nearly as seductive as a few of these totally on fire TN babes, but for the scenes she is in she is just right.

Dave wants to take it slow, get to know each other, little by little, yeah yeah yeah, "Oh you still have your tonsils?" "What a nice surprise." slurp !

Her looking over her shoulder to be sure he is watching her as she gives the behind a little extra wiggle as she walks away looked to me like maybe she was making sure her stinger didn't slip through the thin fabric of that red and black dress.
 

When DisGrace / Kissing Instructor Tia chatted with Lillian about being almost there and Luciana's name came up, DisGrace may as well have said what she was thinking . "If she forks this up I'll kill that little bitch." was what was between the words.

Perla does not need her dresses ANY shorter. With your thunderthighs, honey, less is more. What was her purpose coming to see Carito?
 

Beauty does not automatically come with goodness or any other positive trait. It's its own monster in women like DisGrace. She is a psychopath.

This is probably in one of the deleted scenes, but Lillian owned up to having favored Lisa from way back. Therefore, she is at least 50% responsible for what DisGrace is. The rest of the responsibility belongs to Fernando and the other adults in DisGrace's life during her youth. Now DisGrace herself is responsible.

She knows that killing Lisa was a crime. She felt entitled to commit that crime to get what she wants. She will not hesitate to try to kill Luciana if she still feels the competition. The only question is her choice of weapons. I wonder if she is intelligent enough to come up with a plan that would culminate in a blackmail attempt against David as in "Marry me or I will frame you for her death."

She is colder-blooded than Nuria of AQNMD so I could see her doing this.
 

Urban (not surprisingly) you are soooo right about DisGrace. We occasionally see a quick flash of her real self when her anger pulls the curtain back for a brief second. She would kill Lillian if she got in the way. Lillian does not see that yet, though she would if she had her eyes open to anything besides tormenting Martrya and securing a 'LUSH' remainder of her life. Luci sees it, Cesar sees it, SooSan sees it with maybe one eye, everyone else is so wrapped up in their own cocoon they can't see the forest for the trees.

DisGrace is pretty smart, and she knows to use the weapons she has at hand, her looks, the tribulations of others, and their stupidity/trust. Her chink in her armor is her temper. If that were under control, she would be almost unstoppable, like the Terminator. She is focused like that now, but she is emotional about some of it, and I think that might be her undoing.
 

I just wish they didn't make DudBrain David so damn Dumb. This would be far better if watching DisGrace and David were not so similar to seeing a bully beat up a retarded kid.
 

Julie, girl, this is fantastic! I have several faves I want to highlight but first of all, THANK YOU!!! LOVE your title as that's exactly what Grace did and Duh-veed had the same dazed expression as the boy in the Skittles commercial.

GALAN FAIL? YOU GOT THAT RIGHT! GALAN IMPLOSION!

Kirby cracked me up the other day saying (I think it was) Perla is life support for a pair of panties. Well. . .

David is power-pack for a dildo!

He's the most useless, dumb-assed, lazy p.o.s. galan I've ever seen!

Julie, you wanted evil space robots? How about a brain-dead SPACED-OUT robot? Will that do!?

Thanks, girl. I got chores to do. I could use that mustache DG was chomping on to clean my toilets! Later!

Later!
 

I wonder if Gabriel Soto's career as a galan will be affected by his lackluster and dim-witted performance in this show.

I really liked him in "Yo no creo en los hombres", but definitely not in this TN.
 

Though painful to watch I don't feel sorry for the beta twins Ramon and Cesar. Do they not pay attention or are they this desperate?

 

Tofie: "Kimberly Dos Ramos successfully kissed GS without gagging, she deserves a lead protag role." And vice versa. If it was yucky for them, they didn't show it. And KDR definitely deserves a bigger role next time - but she's so good as a villain, it seems a shame to put her in a protag role. Protag roles are so often bland.

Urban, I agree GS's face was... unhelpful. I kept trying to interpret his facial expressions and body language, but I wasn't sure what I was seeing. In the scene on the couch, he seemed to be trying to get as far away from her as possible - but he didn't resist when she kissed him. Maybe the message here is that David is confused (as usual).

And I know what DG is doing with those little kisses. She's trying to leave him wanting more. I can't tell if it's working.
 

Yawn...just a quick check in. I missed last night's episode and forgot to record it before going to a concert. Then, I walked out on the patio just now and read that intriguing tit!e. Hmmm. I wonder who is over the rainbow. I have not read the recap or comments, but I will get some coffee and start reading. See you later.
 

" She's trying to leave him wanting more. I can't tell if it's working."

It looks to be leaving him wanting a Rolaids.
 

David's looks are a bit of hang dog shame, knowing he probably shouldn't like it but did. We had a dog when I was little that had the same look when he would eat his own poop.
 

Kirby, I have no idea what Perla was trying to accomplish in visiting Carito. Maybe the missing scenes will shed some light.

As for SooSan I was very frustrated with the way she tried to brush Cesar off casually. He's a nice and patient man, and he would have understood if she'd said that she was glad to see him, but feeling overwhelmed right now and would like to catch up later. (And then later, with plates of food in front of them, she'd have to tell him that she was confused and scared. Some meal. But at least it's honest and she's not trying to hide anything from him.) Instead, at first she tried to pretend that she was too busy to look him in the eye. That's really dishonest, insulting, and hurtful.

Lila, no thanks for the offer of a brain-dead SPACED-OUT robot. Those aren't any fun.

Gobluefan, I found GS pretty lackluster in Querida Enemiga too. His face was often unreadable. I could never figure out whether that was intentional to build suspense, or if GS just couldn't emote. But I've seen GS emote, so I know he can do it, which makes me wonder if he's considered a "specialist" in making ambiguous faces on purpose.

I was really not impressed with Marta's comments during the Ramon scene. He was so happy, and it wasn't hard to read between the lines that Marta felt she was settling.

Now to watch the Mexican episodes. Hang on, this might take a while.
 

Those kisses..........Pftttew hargh got one in my throat.

Like giving a cat a bath.
The cat loves it but it sure gets a lot of hair in your mouth. :-).
 

:"Saved xxx's life, killed a shiteating dog."

Well, what can SooSan be all freaked out about now? The guy who had been terrorizing her for (probably) years, got his just reward, and the icing on the cake is she was THERE. Move on Dummy. If you fork this up with Cesar over in essence northing, you will probably just go find yourself another SkidMark, after Cesar tires of your shit. As he should.
 

Julie, you were on fire...

"She's so offended by this, she actually makes Grace look sane for a moment", " other nitwit" and "Lil has a strange expression on her face, somewhere between a scowl and a smirk" were great.

Like just about everyone else "This isn't the galan paralysis disease, this is the GALAN FAIL disease" captured David's inexplicable (and to me, unforgiveable) actions perfectly.

"Maybe all this good fortune really is thanks to Grace, and Luci is the one in the way". As the fractured family is seemingly being glued back together, Luci is understandably (and correctly) realizing life not only continued on without her but actually seems to be healing in spite of her absence. David and Bobby, two of most important people to and in her life are floating away with Graciela. As she gracefully bowed out of David's life, he repaid her by yielding to Graciela's lure.

"Hesitantly, David says that their sacrifice is finally paying off". Of course he mean's Luci's sacrifice as it is clear he is not the one hurting. I suppose we should be relieved Luci didn't walk in on he and Graciela.

"Stinger" is right Kirby! Graciela's hidden weapon.

Urban, I'm thinking Gabe Soto is as perplexed with the stupidity of his character as we are. The inscrutable stares are baffling to me as well. It's as though he is being directed to say the dialog without giving any hint as to what he is thinking.

Marta says she's "content." Wow. tofie I think the "beta twins Ramon and Cesar" both deserve better.

I can't imagine where this is all going to go.

Thanks Julie.

Diana
 

I can understand why Susan is freaked out. She's about to get something good for the first time in years (not counting the meaningless fling with Tano). She's afraid she'll screw it up (as she is doing right now), she's afraid that Cesar will turn out to be too good to be true, she has no experience being in a sane relationship, and has yet to unlearn all of the dysfunctional coping strategies she developed while she was with Mark. It may be too soon for her to be in a relationship, which is exactly what worries Cesar.
 

It is all Luciana's sacrifice and more hurtful because Graciela couldn't have done it without her help. She took responsibility for the vineyards success, working day and night, keeping her away from Bobby and giving David free time with Graciela and the kids.
 

Thank you Julie!

It struck me last night that the only unhappy character at the moment is Luciana. I'm not as sad for her as some of you. Luciana is mostly unhappy that the world is not all about Luciana at the moment and life has gone on without her, IMO.

GS did a much better job playing a galan in YNCELH but let's face it, the writers did a much better job crafting a galan. He didn't kiss as weirdly in that one either. I'm with you gobluefan, I wonder if this very lackluster performance will hurt his career.
 

Thanks, Julie. You masterfully churned last night’s episode into a most fun read. I missed seeing the episode, but with your visuals I laughed all the way. Loved the title. Some of my faves:

Oh, it's horrible. I see teeth. I see her little nose smooshing up against his cheek. I see her getting a mouthful of whiskers. Where's my tequila?

(She is rubbing David's arm as if she's trying to start a fire.)

David is at the police station without an appointment and without a vest

Nope, nothing to say in favor of David at this point. I guess in his mind he's still true to his love for Luciana because he only kisses DisGrace back when she face attacks him. Now, if he initiated a kiss himself, that would be wrong. Lu, you dodged a bullet not landing this Stepford Man.

I'm guessing the director says to GS "just look blank, so the audience hasn't a clue" when DisGrace kisses him. He was pretty good in Yo no creo in los hombres, La fuerza del destino, Un refugio para el amor, and La verdad oculta.




 

Cesar and Susan are unhappy, too.

And I don't blame Luci for being sad. I don't think she needs the whole world to be about her, but she went all in with Dave and thought he was right there with her. Now that's done. It was supposed to be temporary, but it's permanent. Meanwhile, she appears to be doing most of the work for the contest with Susan, and David's main contribution seems to be stopping in once in a while to give his approval. She got a raw deal and she is reminded of it constantly.

Hopefully no actor's career will be hurt by this TN because there are clearly some real problems with the script and direction.
 

Julie thanks for the Susan explanation, now it makes a bit more sense to me. I sometimes have trouble looking below the surface. (Male Pattern Shortsightedness) She'd better figure it out.
 

Kirby, that is exactly why Susan needs to tell Cesar what's on her mind. It's really unfair for her to expect Cesar to have infinite patience while she lies and makes excuses. That pretty much forces him to assume the worst.
 

Julie...Thank you for that magnificent recap of a disturbing episode that I am kind of glad I missed, especially the kiss of the Spider woman. Bleeeccchhh. Dave you big dumbbunny. I hate you soooo much.

I guess that the writers are ramping up Gracie's rapidly increasing success in her life's mission to snare her sister's husband so that her ultimate downfall will have a stronger impact..along with freaking us all out and ruining our sleep and appetites .
 

Watching all the cut scenes from 114, I'm struck by Lil's... sweater? It's difficult to classify. It's almost like a bathrobe. Fuzzy leopard spots on the back and sleeves, with furry stripes on the lapels. Like someone tried to piece together a garment out of scraps from illicitly obtained wild animal furs.
 

Does the place which sold Lillian that ,,..that...that...um..thing she was wearing also sell SooooSam most of her neck jewelry?
 

And there's a big lame "flower" button at the waist. Maybe there really is a running joke going on there.
 

I assume now that the Vamp-ire is probably hacking up hairballs, things couldn't be more Ducky in DisGrace's world?
 

I DO believe, as Bill suggested, that wardrobe must be taking off Hyacinth Bucket in her tacky attempts at high society when they dress Lillian. Hyacinth sets the standard for (though she is English) hillbillies trying to pass themselves off as their family tree not resembling a telephone pole.
 

Aw, sweet little quackers.

Maybe Lil should read a book about not looking like an idiot. Maybe there's a "Don't Be an Idiot for Dummies" book, or a "Complete Idiot's Guide to Not Being an Idiot."

I've finished the first episode and am about a quarter of the way through the second. There were a lot of cut scenes in the first, but most of them were "more of same" stuff. I don't think there's as much cut stuff in the second episode, but what I've seen has been more interesting - like Susan and Cesar's actual discussion after she said "are you breaking up with me."
 

Recap finished, now with pictures.

I couldn't get every picture I wanted. Grace made a funny face as Bobby sat down to breakfast, but it was too quick to catch.
 

Whoa, last night was memorable! Julie , thank you for taking off some of the sharp corners! I agree with all of the 'my eyes are burning' comments. Ugh!

I think Grandpa Dave has a mini hamster on a mini hamster wheel firing up his brain. Sometimes it stops to take a nibble of its food, and we see Dave dumb and expressionless. That must be what's happening, no other explanation makes sense.

Run, Lucy, run!

L Linda
 

I forgot to include a song. Nothing really jumped out at me, but given everybody's love problems, I thought I'd go with this one.

Which is practically a repeat of "Love Hurts." Probably next week I'll have to do "Love Kills."
 

Great job, Julie, thank you so very much. I laughed at your Skittle references...so funny, but that's how it really seemed. David did not really enjoy those kisses because he looked like he was saying "yuck" in his eyes afterward.

Oh and the deleted scene with Sonia sniffing at David's shirts---that was hilarious and I wish Univision hadn't cut that one.

Did the wardrobe department fine Lilian's leopard sweater at the Goodwill or what? Looks like one of those things someone gets you for Christmas as a white elephant gift.

DY, yes I see Luciana as unhappy, but at least she is able to throw herself into her work and do a very good job. When the lovelife fails, at least you can throw yourself into your career.

Urban, I totally agree that DisGrace is a psychopath. I've known some very attractive and charismatic psychopaths in my life who were very manipulative. They will do anything and everything to have their way. Some murder and some don't but they are all very manipulative and non stop liars.
 

Manipulate the rainbow.

Taste the rainbow.


I got stuck running around last night, so I totally missed this episode...thank you so sooooo much, Julie, and I'm actually kind of pissed that the editors we love to hate saw Sonia's epiphany about no longer being attracted to David over her lion cub--let alone finally declaring her love for him to all and sundry--and went "Nah, nobody wants to see that." Fork you, Uni, we wanted to see that!

Ahem. That aside...Graciela getting one step closer to conquering Mount Robles wasn't an eye-burning moment to me, but it did stick out as both KDR and GS being more into it (if in a slightly clumsy way the first time around) than GS and IB usually have been. I mean, hey, acting, but it was still funny that KDR just went for it and smoosh while more often than not GS has to basically palm IB's head.

"And what do we learn from these moments? What did you learn, Marta?"
Another annoying thing the show's been consistent about: the idea has always been that Marta "learned her lesson" about love from her affair with Fernando. In execution, though, she's seemed to really only pay lip service to it while persisting in her endless war of words with Lilian and the show's glossed over any real moments where she could be seen as having truly paid for it or so on. Especially considering the buildup to it, this may be the one thing Show has completely, utterly, failed at. Even over GALAN FAIL (albeit that's a very close second).

As for David's oh so expressive face: I'm inclined to think that he's supposed to be a generally reserved guy, but after 100+ episodes of "stoic face" it's given way to Lurking Linda's idea of his personal brain hamster taking longer and longer breaks. Inscrutable only goes yay far if you're not backing it up with some sort of thought process, show, and he's not doing that unless it's with Cesar or Susan.

Dare I say that Azela Robinson kindasorta pulled off Lilian's vaguely 70s-art-film hybrid leopard-rug sweater thing, but the weird flower clasp...I guess Lil's consistent, though. Susan has her neo-hippie jewelry, Luciana and Erika and Graciela have their painted-on pants, David and Sonia have their vests, and Lil has her awkward flower things. (That said, Lil's neverending eyerolls at Graciela crowing about the kiss were todo. Todo, people.)

By the way...when the fork did Ramon and Marta become a couple before they announced it at the Servants' Luxury Townhouse? Because we sure as hell didn't really see that (see also: Cesar and Susan), unless I missed something.
 

Bill, I agree with you that GS and KDR did much better with the tonsil-hockey - total commitment to the scene - than GS and IB, but man, I did not want to see that. And they were just filling my screen. Filling it, I tell you!

Marta's lesson - what I was getting at was not that she hadn't learned anything, but that she hadn't learned anything good. People (mostly those who haven't experienced any hardship, I'll wager) often say that we should try to learn from our bad experiences, as if we will gain some great wisdom. Well, we do learn, but what we learn isn't always so great, or it might be just plain wrong (drawing incorrect conclusions). For example, as far as I can tell, Marta learned that it's fun to rub Lilian's face in her husband's adultery, and that she can't be with a wealthy man. (She'd have had better odds with a single wealthy man, but like I said, drawing the wrong conclusions.)

Between David's face, Luci's face, and Brian's face, I'm inclined to blame everything on the director(s). These actors don't seem to know what kind of faces to make. They've all demonstrated before that they can perform, so the problem is not with them.

"when the fork did Ramon and Marta become a couple before they announced it at the Servants' Luxury Townhouse?" about ten minutes earlier, in a cut scene which I described in my updated recap that I finished just a little while ago. He asked her, and she said yes. (After some dithering.) They've been "dating" for a couple of weeks, I think right after he had to drag her away from the coffee shop where she overheard Lil telling Gut of Grace's plans to seduce Dave, send Bobby away, etc.
 

The scene where Sonia goes all "Amo a Leóooon, chicooooooos" in the distillery, while Lion Cub is something between surprised and amused trying to shut her up, is absolutely hilarious. And the way everybody cheers when they finally kiss. If you can find the moment on the Internet do so. It's such a shame Univision cuts the crazy stuff between these two excellent characters. They are one of the few things the writers of this show got right.
 

Lil telling Gut of Grace's plans to seduce Dave, send Bobby away, etc.

WHICH, By the Way the brainless Hussy has still not mentioned to David.
 

I thought a lot of the cut scenes in #115 were pretty good. Especially Sonia's scenes, which were very short, and the scene where Susan and Cesar were talking about their problem. At least their relationship makes sense and is easy for me to understand.

But it was exhausting listening to Luciana "process." It was very repetitive and if they couldn't come up with a greater variety of things for her and Susan to say, I'd rather someone else got the screen time.

The scene between Luci and Marta only served as a reminder that Luci's father was a better mother to her than Marta was, so I could have done with a lot less of that, too.

The cut scene between Marta and Ramon did not really provide any valuable new information, but it did show just how mismatched Ramon's and Marta's levels of enthusiasm are.
 

"By the Way the brainless Hussy has still not mentioned to David."

We'll see what she does when she finds out about the illicit Skittles transfers. If she really wants to help Luci and the kids, she'll tell David then. But that's a big if, as even now she's not encouraging Luci at all. Hopefully her devotion to the children is greater than her lack of enthusiasm for Luci's love life.
 

Thanks again, Julie! What a task doing the cut scenes.

You know, I wonder if one gets this type of galan if the female characters are strong. Do you guys think all the women are strong? If so, does that require a wimpy, indecisive, easily manipulated "galan."

Susan started strong. I'm not going to bash her for having been abused. I'm not sure what I'd call her now, though, other than in need of therapy. Erica is still strong, I guess, but she has become so insecure and this thing of Miguel taking over administering her medications is silly. Yeah, she has an illness but she seems weaker since she hooked up with Miguel. Carito isn't the strongest either though she seemed more so before she let herself get talked into coming back to Sonoma.

But Luciana, Lil, Grace, Marta, Sonia, Fer, Perla I all see as strong women. Strong doesn't have to necessarily mean smart in "book learnin'" or street smarts. I guess I'm looking at strong-willed, determined and convinced in the rightness of one's objectives and world view, even if it's whack. Perla isn't the greatest example of strength but I think the conversation with Carito and the flimsy "reassurance" that "Juan won't hurt you. . ." is the set up for Juan to do just that to Carito and then Perla will live up to her vow to turn Juan in to defend/avenge Carito. The women closest in David's orbit, Fer, Lil and DisGraceful pretty much play Dave like a cheap fiddle. His wimpiness doesn't take away from my perception that they are strong.

I don't know. Then again, it could all be poor acting and direction. Whatever's behind Dave's implosion as a galan, he's killed my desire to see him and Luci together. I wish she would just blow that pop stand and let David eventually learn he's screwing his wife's murderer and let the roof fall in on his happy "faaaaaaamily." What a disappointment he is. And Grace, cold-eyed, cold-blooded killer is the real leading lady in this piece. Sigh.
 

Lila, I think Luciana and Grace are strong characters. Susan and Erika get honorable mentions. Lil and Marta are a different type of "strong," like Limburger cheese.

I'll give Sonia only an honorable mention, because she's putting up with crap from Lil that she shouldn't tolerate. And Carito, only an honorable mention. She should never have let Perla talk her into coming back.

Perla, I don't see as strong at all. I'm hoping she'll prove me wrong, but so far she's been happy enough as Juan's arm candy.

I'm not ranking Fernanda as a woman. She may be of age, but she is still a child.

Having strong women does not require a passive, indecisive galan. What it does require is a strong and smart script, so that characters don't, for example, sit on explosive secrets which, if revealed, could help their friends. These writers are supposed to be professionals, so why is this kind of crap still showing up in TNs?

I'm blaming most of this show's problems on a weak story/script and weak direction. There are obvious issues with the story, and in addition, the actors don't seem to know what they're supposed to be doing.

There's an additional problem, with GS and IB. At first I thought it was intentional, but apparently it wasn't. Don't they test for this kind of stuff when they're casting a TN?
 

Exactly LiLa. Luuuurve of her short (up to now) little life or no luuuurve, drop it. Suck it up, chalk it up to experience and M O V E.

Somewhere....Anywhere besides the DisFunctional Vineyard of Luuurve wine. Get the fork out of there, lick your wounds for a while and then stop worrying about it. Learn to ski. Skydive, DO Something.

And like you said, David will eventually find out he is with the murderer of his beloved Lisa who is in collusion with her evil Mom. And if he doesn't kill both of them with his bare hands he will be in a funk a lot longer this time than he was when Lisa was MURDERED.

So Luci, little one, you JUST DON'T NEED IT. Stupid trumps Love.
 

I like your analysis and just thought of the male/female balance of power as maybe what's behind Dave's lack of character. I don't think I've ever seen a show that took me so out of the world the actors are supposed to be creating to wonder about the actors themselves. If the two leads chemistry clashes, that totally kills the story and must be a reason behind a lot of these awkward stares. Weak story/script, indeed. I wonder how far they'll let the DisCrazy get with Dave?

What do you think was up with Miguel hemmin' and hawin' about the apartment?
 

Yah. Bring in a new character for Luci to fall for, maybe somebody from the Sunset restaurant and get her the heck out of there. I could really cheer for that! A new character makes as much sense as David falling for Gracie supposedly cause she "LOVES my children!" I think I would respect Dave more if he admitted he'd always been attracted to Gracie and is going to let himself "experience her," than this, "oh, you're so good with Bobby and Fer, yah, I'll let you do me but take it slow and don't mistake this gratitude for something else..." WHAT??!! JEEZOPETE!
 

Miguel didn't get weird with Erika until she mentioned looking at the apartments. (Adolfo's place looks big enough, they should be able to live there, but whatever.) I wonder if he's just now figuring out that she wasn't planning for them to get married, and he's wondering if that's because she doesn't want to or if it's because he hasn't asked her. And trying to figure out, should he ask her now, or is it too little too late, maybe she'd even be insulted, maybe he should wait for her to ask him, or... ???

Erika's more independent than most of the women Miguel has been around, so he just doesn't know what to do.
 

I would betyou Miggys hesitancy to get an apartment with Erica it's because it looks like Lucy might for sure for sure be single forever now
 

So my smartphone does not know there is no such word as betyou but makes me spell Miggy?
 

Julie, thank you for all the details from the cut scenes. The screen shots were great.

I was also sad to miss any scene with Sonia, especially her realization she is no longer crushing on David, but that she truly loves her lion cub. I feel Sonia is a very strong woman. Strong women often have to swallow situations where people are cruel and hurtful. They do what they need to, to survive. I don't know if Sonia realizes what a gem she is. We certainly do.

I was not sad to have missed Ramon and Marta's getting together. It's so painfully obvious he is in love and she is in like. She's had a bit of a tumultuous romantic past so perhaps she is ready to be "content". It just seems so unfair to Ramon - he deserves to be loved, not to be "settled" for.

What an astute comment this is Lila: "I don't think I've ever seen a show that took me so out of the world the actors are supposed to be creating to wonder about the actors themselves". Yes, and the writers are primarily accountable too.

Diana
 

The Normals:
Sonia in her own quirky way. I have enjoyed the Sonia/Lion Cub more than anything in this show, from her initial flubbering blubbering drunken "dates" with Leon to the present

Leon. What a nice young man. Perfect with Sonia. How he turned out so normal with a space cadet Mom Marta Who knows. Seeing his own Mom in those shoes all these years could have deeply scarred Lion Cub, but no.


Tano. Ramon should be proud. He accomplished more alone than many husband/wife teams do.

Ramon: Pretty normal, but he won't be for long after hooking up with above evil space rob...cadet.

Cesar: Good friend, good boyfriend, prbably a good Doctor too, just bad case of #dontknowshitaboutchicks

Bobby started out OK, but he is now headed down a very lonely road..... thank you Dumbass and DisGrace.

Adolfo Great Father, but afflicted with same disease as Cesar.
 

Mandarin Duck.
 

Gracias for taking the time to insert the deleted scenes. It is truly upsetting me to have to tell you guys that we will be stuck with the scissors unless that stupid kid show at 8 goes off for two weeks because the next gran estreno is going to be La Doble Vida de Estela Carrillo starting on May 8th.

Another immigrant story (Why two of these back to back?) and this one stars Ariadne Diaz whom I can't like because of her nasty little brat character in La Malquerida (which I bailed on because of).

What I wish they would do instead was what they did with Que Bonito Amor, which was to give us 1.5 episodes per evening with limited commercials and starting 5 minutes earlier (or ending 5 minutes later). When that series aired we only lost the equivalent of 1.5 episodes of the whole thing. That wasn't easy but it beats hell out of this.
 

Pretty duck. I've never seen one of those before. Honestly, I thought Mandarin Duck was a Chinese restaurant dish. (Like Peking Duck)

Diana, Lila, the one other time that the actors' performances really disappointed me was in STuD. You'd think Lucero and Fernando Colunga wouldn't have a problem, but I felt that both of them were phoning it in, out of frustration over the very bad script. Don't get me wrong; they were very professional, did everything they were supposed to do, and there was no question as to which emotions they were supposed to be emoting. Both they both looked to me as though they wanted to go home.
 

Thanks, Diana. I'm trying to enjoy this but I guess if I'm going to watch novelas, I have to get used to a new normal. No romance, just "hook ups", no asking the woman for her hand in marriage, but agreeing to "shack up." Father in law-to-be raping the galan's beloved, mothers and daughters rolling in the sack with the same man, people raised as brother and sister deciding, "hey, put a bag over the head, it's all the same," weak "galans" who are all over the place and don't seem to stand for anything but put up with everything or "stealth galans" who should really be getting top billing, but don't. Ditto for the leading lady: Then, run same over and over in loops for 140 shows.

Love, a few struggles then marriage and happily ever after is old fashioned and silly. I guess I'll have to get on the internet and go find some old novelas to watch. :/

Whining party over.
 

Oh! Thanks for that info, Urban. Yes, the Nosotros Guapos show is only on Friday nights at 8. It's horrible. Carmen Salinas is in it, and I don't like anything with her in it. I'd rather see the little kids, and that's saying something.

What really worries me is the possibility (which exists only in my mind) that they could start doubling up the episodes, showing two hours per night which would be four hours of Mexico episodes.

I just realized that it's been a long time since I've watched a TN that Uni hasn't messed with in one way or another (except for Hotel, which Uni produced). TVA was subjected to all kinds of scheduling insanity, and Yago got bounced to Unimas. Before that, I don't remember specifics, but I do know that Uni has a long history of changing the deal on people. That makes me increasingly hesitant to start watching a new one.
 

Hmm, Julie, I saw STuD and hung out on that patio. Didn't we do a lot of mocking? I have a vague memory of it being a joke.
 

Yeah, Lila, we did a lot of mocking. We pretty much lived for Colunga's shower scenes. We didn't have a drinking game for every time someone said "Valentina Villaba, la Vibora" but we could have.

I remember when that annoying girl's mother stuck her head in the oven, I wondered if it was even a gas oven.

It was sad to see all of the other actors trying so earnestly to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

I am wondering if this (what we're watching now) is where TNs are headed. Admittedly it is very suspenseful, but for all the wrong reasons. And there are so many dysfunctional relationships. So much misery. No one to look up to.

I was just reading some old Destilando Amor recaps... Rodrigo sometimes wasn't very bright in that one, either. But he was not passive, didn't let everybody walk all over him.
 

Urban I just Googled Ariadne Diaz---> Images..! ! Is she also a porn star?
 

Julie and Lila, I remember STuD well and completely agree it was the writing not the actors.

Urban, appreciate the info on La Double. What is the rush for Uni to start it in early May? I mean we've all stuck with this plodding, confusing story for months now. The least they could do is let us see what little action that's finally arisen in its entirety.

That said, I am really looking forward to La Double. Africa Zavala is in it as is the excellent Danilo Carrera from PyP. And while there's no doubt Ariadne Diaz was hardly a heroine in La Malquerida, I do like the actress (especially her brief stint in El Color). David Zepeda? Sigh. Not so much. I certainly hope this turns out better than this.

Beautiful duck Kirby. Fantastic avatars.

Diana
 

Thanks. Trying to add some happiness to this sorrowful mess...er...show.
 

Those aer little cutie pies, and are cousins of wood ducks which are colorful like that too
 

They ARE gorgeous!
 

I looked at the pix of Ariadne Diaz, and I remember when she was in MEPS, someone commented that she looks like an anime character. Does she ever. And she likes to show her underwear, too.
 

I am back from my niece's birthday party where I looked around at my extended family and thanked my lucky stars that they are relatively normal compared to the folks in this telenovela.

Julie, thanks for tracking down and reporting on those scenes that Uni evidently did not think we needed to see.

I have been enjoying all the comments...smart,funny, insightful.

Urban, thanks for that link. I am in for the new telenovela because I loved hating Ariadne and loving Africa in LA Mal..Zepeda..meh. I have never seen Julion Alvarez in anything , but he looks very handsome, and I like his smile and his hat. Count me in.
Will there be vests ?

I do not know what is up with GS's p p p poker face p p p poker face, but it is similar to the one on his face throughout Enemiga Querida. As to the lack of chemistry between GS and IB, don't they usually test for chemistry between the leads when they are casting?

Okay, at the risk of getting detention, I am going to just say for those of you wanting love and romance and sizzling chemistry subscribe to Starz because Outlander returns with season three in September. Be still my romantic heart.
 

Yes...STUD..wasn't Lucero bitten by a snake , and Fernando was a first responder ? Compare those two in STUD to them in Alborado..they had amazing chemistry in that one.
 

What I just may do is start binge-watching La Piloto until I catch up to you guys, which is probably going to be quite a feat. When the hell are Jorge Salinas and my other faves going to have new series?
 

Susanlynn, I haven't seen Julion Alvarez either...

QE remains in my top 10 favorites to this day. That was the first time I saw Gabe and I felt his acting was at times rather wooden. And while I don't want to ruin the ending for anyone who hasn't but plans on seeing it, in hindsight, I think that there was some purpose in him playing it that way. So, I'm still speculating that this ending might be different than what we are expecting. It is rare that the galan isn't warm and loving and that the audience doesn't root for evil to be vanquished and that he and his true love live happily ever after.

If David and Luci do get together, I will not be excited because I just don't believe in them as a couple. It could be something will occur to change the tide, but it would have to be a huge tidal wave for me at this late date.

Diana


 

Yeah. Chemistry tests between actors are a thing. I don't know if they're a universal thing, but they're definitely a thing and a producer/casting director would skip them at their own risk.

Batman (Adam West) and Robin, as well as the original Power Rangers cast, were tested for chemistry. That wasn't even for sexual chemistry, just to see if they had the right team to be able to pass as friends. If your characters can't pretend to be close, your show is DOA.

You have to wait till September?!?!?! That's five months away. What are you going to do until then?
 

Yes...STUD..wasn't Lucero bitten by a snake , and Fernando was a first responder ? Compare those two in STUD to them in Alborado..they had amazing chemistry in that one.
 

Yes, the snake venom sucking scene was probably the hottest thing in all of STuD.

QE is still in my top... let's say four. I agree with Diana that there was a legitimate reason for GS in that one to be playing it close to the vest, so to speak. That's what I had in mind when I said that he might be considered a specialist. I really won't know until this TN is finished whether the problem is the story/script, or the director. (I have confidence in GS's acting ability, so if I'm not happy with his performance I feel sure that there's another explanation.) BUt either way, there is a problem. This "suspense" isn't normal or appropriate.

The problem is that Luciana seems devoted to David, so I'm supposed to want them to be together. But David really doesn't seem worthy any more. How can this have a happy ending? If Erika dies, maybe Luci can end up with Miguel, but what about David? Just how much of a punishment does he deserve?
 

I should say "this particular type of suspense" isn't normal or appropriate. I feel that we should know where David's head is at. Maybe he'll explain it all to Cesar in a deleted scene on Monday.
 

Julie...well, I am rewatching the first two seasons ,rereading the eight books ,lurking at CompuServe Outlander ,following the author and lead actor online, and watching the fanmade music videos on YouTube . It is such a romantic story of a steadfast love. I still believe in true love even if the current telenovela writers don't.
 

Ha ha, Cristiano Ronaldo (Graciela's erstwhile customer) was on the SNL weekend update just now because of a bronze bust in his likeness that looks nothing like him, story here.
 

Julie..I am watching SNL right now, too. I love weekend update. I did not realize that the name of the player was the same as on Vino. That bust is hysterical! Art..go figure.I would love to know what the guy thinks of that interpretation of his face.
 

I wonder if Grace does sculpture. Maybe that was her doing.
 

O julie, this was indeed and good&fun
Recap.
Adolfo's groovy grapes, that had me laughin out loud.

Grace Stealin dave's skiddles, and his
Wiskers. And they never was this close
With the cameras when he wasswallowin
Lucy's face.

And Dave going to see gut without his
Vest. Why don't y'all like his vests?

The look on Dave's face when Grace is
Up close and too personal is like he's
Fighting diarrhea.

I do not like lil. She is such a puss
Face. I hated the way she treats Marta
When is Dave gonna get a clue?Its just
Maddening watchin these 2 b...witches
Slimein a over him and his 2 bobble
Headed kiddos.

Marta is with Ramon now? Really? For
How long? She shouldn't hurt this man,
But she might. I really want to see where this is going.

SusyQ, snap out of it before you loose
The best thing that's ever happened to
You.Her and Lucy moaning & groaning"Im
Just so lost in love woooooo".Turn that song off and just delete it.If it
Is suppose to be, it will be.
Ok waaaaay past my bedtime. Thank you
Juls, and good night.☆

 

I think Miguel is preoccupied with Luciana again but lying to Erika unlike before. Moving in together is the watershed moment and he has to decide should he totally commit knowing Luciana is available and may "settle".

Wonder when it will sink in Marta as nana is no longer needed. Fernanda and Bobby seem to be thriving and happy under Graciela's influence. She's always insisted Luciana sacrifice but will she practice what she preaches?
 

Tofie ,

Orkin, Terminix and our local Critter Gitter team would not be able to extricate Marta from her free digs.
Putting her out that front door would look like putting a cat in a commode Lots of claw marks and fur on the floor..

Maybe some of our specialists who work on Alligators and those 12 to 15 foot long pythons. Those guys are a funny bunch though. You'd have to get them a plane ticket and a hooker, minimum.

kj
 

I so enjoy the conversations between Lilian and Gracie, two entitled users scheming and trying to tell each other the best way to use others and get what they want. #smarterthanalltheselosers I am hoping that the writers are going to give us a satisfying description of these two finally getting their just rewards . What wasted lives. Death? Jail? Eviction? A job? oh noes!!

Okay Nana Gracie, time to make the sandwiches and help make a model of the solar system...and no..do not put yourself at the center .
 

Watching The White Queen marathon on Starz..pretty good .
 

SusanLynne I have told people " If you worked as hard at what you are expected to do as you work at getting out of it we would all be happy." Applies to DisFuncGrace and Lil of Seven Bottles.
 

Nina, we like David's vests. We're hypnotized by them.
 

I meant to say, the vests emphasize his shoulders. Although really the shoulders emphasize themselves.
 

I'd like to see Luci wearing one of his vests.
 

ONLY
 

:-)
 

Oh, I don't think that'll do anything for Luci's shoulders. ;-)

Aw, I miss the duckie.
 

BTW, for those who look for such things the necklace that Juan gave Perla the matching earrings to recently looks like the necklace that Erick Montenegro gave to MonserRat for her fatal birthday in episode 42 of PyP.

The car Franco bought himself turned up in Mujeres de Negro.
 

Holy Mackeral.the yellow car?
 

Oops how about a cute wood Duck then?
 

You have good eyes, Urban.

Yes, cute duck, like :-)
 

Yes, Kirby, the yellow car. It's the same color as Manhattan taxicabs.

Cute duck.
 

Oh yeah it was Erick's red one which was similar which got 'braked". Broke my heart. (That it didn't kill him)

I didn't pay attention to NoJuan and Perla, was it that huge green thing?
 

It was the silver (or white gold) one with the green stones that Nina found in his room. Remember that she wore it before putting it into the safe and took a selfie that she posted to social media and it was seen by Aldo? Since she had never previously seen the necklace she had no idea that his possession of it proved that he was the one who killed the Rat.

It showed way better taste than the cheap crap Nina wore for jewelry.
 

OT: Urban when I was just a kid working in the Midwest, my employer sent me to a meeting with a customer in downtown Manhattan, and the travel office girls rented me a FULL SIZE car.!

When I went to pick it up at the counter the (giggling) girls there took one listen to my Southern drawl and told me there was no way I actually wanted that car.

I took their advice and 3 minutes later in one of those taxi's secretly blessed those gigglers.
 

Yeah I remember irregular sized green stones in it.
 

I really liked P&P, partly because since I saw his parenting in MCET I have a man crush on Salinas. :-)
 

Hey y'all quick question, is anybody into recappin "mi adorable maldicion"?
Yet? I've watched it abit, looks like it could be pretty good fer love in the afternoon.
 

I bailed on that one after the second episode. The music in that contradicted the tone of the opening episode.

When MdN is over it will be replaced by La Candidata, which will be my next novela to blog. I'll be relieved of double duty for a while unless a new one comes along with my favorite mature hero, Jorge Salinas.
 

Julie Two for U
 

They have this big orange feather on their back almost like a shark fin which they can raise or lower.

For what I do not know.
 

Awesome.
I assume the orange feather is for getting the bartender's attention.
 

Crappy day, thanks for the ducks :)
 

Julie...sorry it was a crappy day. Hang in there.
 

Thanks, Susanlynn. It's fine now. Just wasn't fun earlier!
 

Kirby, I'm not only tuning in to read the comments now but to see what pictures you've posted. I love nature and all of these are lovely.

Glad your day is better Julie.

It was a beautiful day today, I hope it was for everyone else. It's been a long winter. Nice to see the sun again.

Diana
 

If David and Grace are going to be a couple, Lisa's cell phone is going to be a lot more powerful as a blackmail weapon against Grace if there is any evidence on there about the murder at all (or if he can convince her there is).
 

I don't think there is anything on it but DisGrace might be afraid of that possibility. She was not clear-headed enough at the time to toss it in the river.

Juan's hatred of David is also about Lisa. That is why he has the phone.
 

Someone needs to throw Lil under the bus for conspiring with Juan to rip David off. I've thought for a while that their argument might be on that phone if Lisa recorded it, but I'm not sure how that would be useful to Juan.

That particular crime of Lil's is not the biggest crime of the story, but it has to be revealed (along with her causing the deportation). David won't like it when he finds out.
 

Diana..yes, it was so nice to have sunny, warmer weather for the last two days. The sunshine lifts the spirits .
 

Urban and Julie, I was under the impression there is something on Lisa's phone but what I'm not sure...

So, we know David did date Graciela before Lisa, but did Juan date Lisa too Urban? Maybe we knew that but I can't recall.

I would have thought Gracie would be going after Juan for trying to destroy David. Either he doesn't seem him as that much of a threat, or all of her time and energy is being diverted in trying to snag David.

Diana
 

I think all of her energy is focused on David. She can't do anything about Juan because he'll just continue blackmailing her as he has been.

The main reason I think there's something on Lisa's phone is that blackmail victims usually (I assume) demand to see proof before they agree to anything. Having Juan as a witness that she came from the general direction of the creek after Lisa disappeared, but before she was found dead, has been enough to blackmail her with so far, but if Juan wants to raise the stakes he can threaten her with the phone only if he can prove there's something on it.

On the other hand, since he's been able to blackmail Grace without the phone, he might have something else in mind for it. He keeps telling Perla that he wants to totally destroy David. If he thinks David is in love with Grace, showing David the evidence (if there is any) that his girlfriend killed his wife would devastate him.
 

Diana I am glad you are enjoying the birds. I know I am skirting the rules and at risk of a trip downstairs, but my sins are pretty harmless.

You know that you can click the avatar and the Google page will open, then click the avatar there and see full size?
 

Is DisGrunt so consumed with the kids and her Faaaamiiily that she has just forgotten that a broken bankrupt David is of little value to her and Succubus#2?

She sternly warned NoJuan a number of times that David is strictly off limits. but we were not privy to what exactly she meant. Was it that David the person must not be damaged, or David's "world" so to speak, is not to be tampered with?

My belief is that she meant David's World, but it was more than a week ago and the ADD writing staff lost their notes from back then.
 

Yep, I been clicking to see the pictures.

That is a good question, what is Grace supposed to do with a broken Dave. I guess she is putting out one fire at a time.

I don't see how she can warn Juan about anything. She has nothing on him that we know of, correct? If she has a plan to deal with Juan, what is she waiting for? Does she know she can't LITERALLY paint him into a corner?
 

It is understood that part of DisGrace's reason for wanting to 'possess' David has to do with sisterly competition, but a larger part, I believe, is a perpetual meal ticket for herself and possibly her Mom, but that is to be seen when the time comes.

Given the uneasy truce between the two, nursed along by their mutual need for each other's help in the 'Grand Scheme', Lillian is an abject fool to believe DisGross will not kick her to the Kirb when she can.

I genuinely hope Lillian is the first to find out that DisGrate(sonmynerves) is a murderer, so we can see if she still thinks she can trust a daughter who murdered her other daughter. Will Lil keep quiet in the hope that information will ensure that she stays in the lap of luxury? Or will she be disturbed enough to tell some one?
 

Maybe DisGag will try to seduce NoJuan. Remember earlier when he was already very much with Perla, he hit on her and she told him in his friggin dreams?
 

Is Shitforbrains Robles going to fall for her now? They have agreed to "Date". Is she planning on continuing on giving him these little sweet butterfly kisses every fifteen minutes like Westminster chimes?
 

Hey what do y'all think about marta and Ramon? You think they'll survive.
I don't think so. I'd be surprised if
They did. Cuz gut is lurkin in her mind and heart. And again wardrobe people help Marta with a makeover.Stat
I think she has beautiful eyes.
 

Good morning, all. I have been catching up on the new comments while getting ready to go to work.

I don't think Graceless is thinking about Dave's wealth or Juan taking it. She is just thinking "yippee skippee, I am getting closer to taking what my sister loved..Dave." Obsessed people are not logical. Lilian's main objective is staying in the lap of luxury and in a position where she can ordered underlings Marta and Sonja around like a queen. (I spent several hours yesterday watching the struggle for the crown of England in the 15th century in The White Queen and saw similarities to this show).

I missed Friday's episode and the kissing, but Kim is pretty good at the evil . I am both cringing but anxious to see what happens tonight as Gracie continues wiggling her way into Dave's World. I bought popcorn.
 

I don't think Lil will keep Grace's secret, but maybe I will change my mind after thinking about it. Yeah, those dinky little kisses are supposed to make him yearn for more.

Nina, if I go by what's in the (unreliable) script then Marta and Ramon don't have a chance... she is not into him. As for the makeover, I think that's already begun. Her dresses are slightly less horrible and she is now wearing pumps rather than clogs (which is a radical change for the feet).

I spent ten minutes earlier this morning trying to figure out why I couldn't remember what happened in last night's episode. Duh... need... coffee...




 

Hoppy Monday. I think on the first half believable excuse to forgive GutBrain, Martrya will drop poor Ramon like a hot potatoe. I especially think it will happen if Lil starts back on and on about herself and Gut. Marta would throw Mr HotPotatoe away in an instant to capitalize on an opportunity to torment Lil.

Osprey and young Eagle fighting over territory. Yes Eagle is being attacked from above and is flying upside down.
 

I can't believe the writers would be so mean as to leave Ramon with no one, but Marta's lukewarm acceptance of him looks really bad.

Is it possible that David and Fer will never know what Dr Evil did? The only people who can tell them are Dr Evil and Grace.

I did not know eagles could fly upside-down!
 

Since Dr Ramos' name was mentioned some episodes beyond his single appearance, I'd like to think he'll be back. There could also be a scandal involving Dr Evil or Cesar could come across some relevant information about him and tell David.

I tend not to believe in rehabbing villains, especially after the writers of PyP did it. However, unless someone can prove that Lillian was responsible for murdering her husband she hasn't done anything yet she can go to prison for. She might, however, kill Dr Evil if he can be proven to have caused harm to Fernanda. If she did that I'd give her a pass because that would be a public service.

However, the most likely thing is that Gracie will get sufficiently thrown off guard at some point and admit this carelessly or be overheard during an argument with Juan, but that is at least 20 episodes away.
 

They can flip for a few seconds when attacked to get their talons in position. Like doing a barrel roll.

Ramon could take lessons.

Are they doing a sneak make-over on Marta to surreptitiously make her look better to us, or is this the new and improved Marta who has turned over a new leaf with Hot Potatoe/Ramon?

The only other thing might be the paper trail to Dr. Evil's drug source comes to light and he is exposed. But it would have to be a far more involved investigation than we have seen in other things. Remember this is in U S A as they chanted on Little Giants, so our drugs are strictly controlled. Especially mood altering if you can call them that, drugs as they are the most abused. If Fer still has a partial bottle, that could bring everything to light, but is a long shot.

There are so many stupid loose ends in this show, it is hard to stay tuned hoping for a morsel. I'm like a starving dog hoping for a thimble sized doggie treat. And hoping and hoping and hoping...............

I hope when DisGrace finally gets David to San Francisco he abruptly tells her, "WOW Grace, you are nothing like Lisa, I guess just expected too much, you two being sisters and all. I think you need to see Anderson yourself."
 

I really doubt now that Lil killed her husband. I don't think she'd kill Dr Evil either. She might get mad enough to take a sublethal swipe at Grace, though.

I am more curious about how homicidal Grace will get when the anvil rain begins. Remember, she didn't set out to kill Lisa (I think she would have preferred to steal David right out from under her sister). And she hasn't moved against anyone else yet, not even Luciana. I don't think that's so much a matter of conscience (she has none) as of risk. But if something happens to flip that switch, she could go after Luci, Juan, Dr Evil, Lil, Fer, Bobby, or even David.
 

Urban, Dr. Ramos (No relation to Kimy2) is the good Doctor Cesar knows?
 

Yes, Kirby.

I actually stopped looking for evidence of murder by Lillian a while back. These writers have been too casual in their introduction of this past conflict with Marta and did a very bad job of the whole thing.

However, they have allowed DisGrace to make speculative statements about killing Luciana so I think she will eventually try. The question is who will stop her.
 

Instead of the prize Ramon loses if he ends up with Marta. Better for him to remain without heading into the sunset.

Even had Graciela not killed Lisa David's passivity would have encouraged her. Lisa didn't trust her around David, he thought her jealously unfounded, and that would have been a huge problem for their marriage.
 

Lisa was a smart woman. Someone should hold a seance to contact her and unleash her ghost at DisGrace.

OOPs.... wrong novela!
 

Can ghosts bitch-slap people? I'd be okay with that.
 

HA! Yaw crazy! Love the bitch-slappin' ghost!
 

Oh that would be the best. DisGrace can't kill a GHOST ! And as ghosts live an indeterminate amount of time, Lisa's ghost could haunt her for the rest of her life. There would be no escape, and ghosts can do evil things which mortals are unable to do. Sorry Julie, but this is better than ESRs.

Evil Space Robots can only do so much. And they eventually ahve to go home to their home planet.
The Ghost of Lisa Past could be truly vindictive. Imagine DisGasping waking in the middle of the night from a nightmare that she was drowning in a river.

And those big landscape rocks in people's yards would strike terror too.

That is far better than Dave just telling her they are not compatible after a test drive.

Imagine every time DisGnaw planted one of those sweet little microkisses she got a nice ghostly bitch slap to spin her pretty head around.
 

I'm in.
 

Oh I agree, this is not the time for evil space robots. They are not picky about who gets disintegrated. I suppose I want a few people to survive the carnage.

I've seen ghosts in TNs before. The one in PESE made her husband (who caused her death) swerve off the road and down a hill, and then she held his legs when he tried to get out of the flaming car, causing him to be horribly crippled and disfigured. The only disappointment was that she waited till the last episode to show up. She could have saved everybody else a lot of trouble. (Or maybe she haunted his dreams, I don't remember - but that didn't help anyone else.)
 

Ramon is one of the few characters (strangely one of them is Carito, go figure) I still care about. Nope, don't want him with settling Marta. I'd even take the wife that dumped him coming back for him.
 

...and I was just thinking "Why couldn't David at least have had a couple of Dead Lisa hallucinations, show? At least give him something to act on, rather than his reacting to every damn thing!" Lisa appearing to Graciela, even in a dream, would help a lot. But nooooo...

Julie: Lilian's apparent aversion to murder does make it seem like she wouldn't have whacked Fernando (crimes of passion aside, I guess). The gag is that, if that's the case, is she even a villana at that point? She's just a pretty, occasionally trashy, social-climbing Real Housewives of Orange County-wannabe perra who admittedly loves to read. Other than her getting Brian to deport Marcos and Luciana back in the day, she's literally done nothing anywhere near on the level of Graciela or Juan or even forking "I killed a man but everybody only remembers the grunge" Mark.
 

Oh now is a good time for the Lisa ghost to punch that time clock and get to work. And she has a lot of work to do.

See, what little I know of ghosts, they are much smarter and more 'direct' than their aforelife counterparrts.

One solid ghost could out Dr.Evil, Grace, NoJuan, I mean the list just goes on.

And as they can travel instantly from solving one uh oh to another, they can accomplish a lot of good in a short time.

Man ! if ever there was a vineyard in need of a haunting......................
 

Niecie, you aren't alone.

I care very much about Ramon. He has always loved Marta. It's one of those things that has me scratching my head, but hey, his life, his choice (if he were real of course :))

I wouldn't have minded him being with Marta at all if she only hadn't said she was "content".

Geez. There are nights a good book and popcorn make me "content"...hardly the heartfelt sentiment to build a life on together.

Diana
 

Niecie in MD: right there with you on caring about Good Guy Ramon (and Carito, who's kind of had her small karma moment, and of course Best Couple Sonia and Leon), and utterly there on how Marta doesn't deserve him. She should, in theory, but she absolutely doesn't...it's kind of like Pasion y poder in reverse, and somehow even worse.
 

NieCie I fail to see why a nice looking solid guy like Ramon is still interested in Marta to begin with. Ordinarily weasely little worms are all gaga over someone who they shouldn't be, but Ramon is a fairly well adjusted seeming guy with a good job and a good relationship with his Son and coworkers. There is no reason for him to scrape the bottom of the barrel, no matter how close to home that barrel is.

But truthfully I have had friends do the same thing, and talked till we were BOTH blue in the face to no avail. It is a shallow 'victory' years later to hear that I was right.
 

Didn't Marta actually ditch Ramon once so that she could hang out with Gut? I mean, REALLY, Ramon!
 

Yes, Julie she did. It was painful.

That said, (and apologize for sounding like a broken record), he loves her. No rhyme, reason, etc.

Agree Kirby. Ramon is an amazing father, supportive friend, and good looking to boot. I don't anyone disputes he could (and likely should) do better, but she is all he sees.

Bill, I keep hoping something might happen similar to what occurred with Susan and Cesar. He was in the friend zone. And then he wasn't. But, I still have my doubts.

Diana
 

I know we don't get to pick the happy endings for our characters. (Yago made that perfectly clear.) But if Ramon really ends up with Marta, I'd like her to show more enthusiasm!
 

Would rather watch the Osprey and Eagle all day (than work).

Sigh.

Diana
 

Julie, if I were Marta, I would certainly be showing a lot more enthusiasm over Ramon. He just seems so loving and understanding. He's the kind of guy who will make you a cup of hot tea, tell you to put your feet up after a hard day of work and he'll give you a foot rub. He's the dream guy here along with Cesar! Cesar is wise and understanding. He is the kind of guy who really listens well and does everything he can to be a good partner. He may not be particularly exciting, but he's the kind of man that when the going gets tough, he hangs in there and is a rock to lean on during hard times.
 

Diana..I keep thinking that something was cut out when it comes to Susan and Cesar because I don't think that we actually saw that defriending process unfold.

Here's my advice to Marta: Always go for the nice guy. You will never regret that decision. I don't understand Marta all. I have seen both men and women pine (lust?) For someone they can't get . I think that Ramon should listen to my favorite Rita Coolidge song, the very torchy "Leave While I'm in Love." Sometimes it just feels so good to hurt so bad. After breaking up with someone when I was a teen, i would play the same sad song over and over again..driving my mother crazy. Maybe Ramon should leave while he is still in love and find someone who values him.

Since Cesar has Susan and his own life , he seems to be falling down on his job of monitoring and advising Dave on his every move . Thus, he dropped the ball on checking out Dr. Evil.

I think that Lilian is going to go absolutely BSC when she finds out about Grace Ricking Lisa. She will spill everything she knows. Does Lilian know that Grace asked Dr. Evil to drug Fer.

Also, to use an expression that my mother lived, I think that once Grace is cornered she will be "hoisted on her own petard." She will reveal all her evil doings INA fit of frustration as she sinks into insanity.
 

Ricking????..rocking...long day teaching the three types of loneliness and pronouns.
sorry.
 

Seems re Cesar, Susan is way to scarred to recognize a good man when she sees one. She needs some therapy and a long time off the market. . .

Marta was a young dummy of easy virtue, now she's just an old strumpet. I think she wants Gut not only for 'that' reason, but because her major turn-on in life is stickin' it to Lil.

Ghost Lisa (!Lisa) should visit Dave AND DisGravefiller just as Dave is about to fill her.

She should appear soaking wet with the rock in her hand, point at DG and just WAIL a long, blood-curdling wail. That'll cut that action off quick, fast, and in a hurry!
 

Lila.... Ha..."young dummy>>>>>>old strumpet" ouch but true. Evidently ,Marta cannot resist a goodlooking man and is shallow enough to prefer a book with an attractive cover to one that has a well written story.

Yes, Ghostlisa showing up at that exact moment of liftoff would certainly cause a failure to launch..maybe forever. Heh, Dave.
 

Oh Li--Laaa you are killing me. DisGravefiller.?

Lots of times these ghosts reappear just as they went away, like you said, soaking wet with a big gash in her head and rickinhand. Yes rickinhand for you Sue. For everyone else rockinhand. :-)

DisGash. There are a LOT of nice G words which apply.
 

Diana Round 2
 

You started it, Kirby with the DisG. . .should be a fun game.

Oh, what shenanigans will tonight bring!
 

Susanlynn, yes, we were not privy to seeing exactly how Susan changed her mind on Cesar. But I think Lila is right. Due to everything Mark did to her, she is not ready for another relationship so soon. She's been emotionally devastated and is scarred by Mark's threats and bullying. She needs time to heal.

Cynthia, I think Ramon is pretty much ideal. Still, everything considered, I can't believe the writers would put Marta back with Brian, but heaven knows, I've been wrong in just about everything else so...

Diana
 

Thanks for playing.

It seems there are so many great words which start with G.

DisGhostBuster
DisGiddyup Dave
DisGointohell
DisGoinstraighttohell

I know I'll be spending the whole next TN in the office, but a hunderd an' sixty comments on a shit show?

 

Gut is a mystery to me as he goes back and forth between Marta and Lilian. He looks like the kind of guy who would just move on if a woman did not commit to him.
 

Kirby, our blogmom told me that the stupider the show, the more fun to recap and comment. It is so true.

Your "Dis.." Reminds me of our game in LA Tempestad." The galan's name was Damien , so we had a lot of Damfine, Damstrong, Damhandsome, Damright...endless Dams.

May I offer Disgruntled, Dissatisfied, Disenchanted, Displeased, Disappointed...
 

Hey, thinking of permutations on the DisG or -C theme is, like, totally on task!

DisCrazilyfocused
. . .
 

Hey, lets not forget Disturbed !
 

DisGust.
If this show made a lot of sense, we wouldn't need 160+ comments to figure it out.

 

Disturbed is probably the best description of her yet.

I think Ramon loves Marta for her maternal qualities. She had to have been the ongoing maternal figure for Tano when Ramon's wife left them. Tano turned out good -- as did Leon -- and the two boys are besties. Bobby is a good kid.

Marta is also probably a good cook. I have yet to meet a man who doesn't appreciate that.

We can't keep trying to fault Marta for her affair with Fernando, which was ages ago. I'm not sure she knew anything about Lillian's relationship with Brian before she dated him herself. But I don't think she will go back to him now that she knows that he deported Marcos and Luciana. Not even when she eventually finds out that Lillian was behind all that.

And she has to find out eventually. As someone said above, that is the biggest thing we know of that Lillian has to suffer for. That suffering will be David's ultimate rejection (followed by a definitive eviction) and finding out that DisGrace killed Lisa.

Sort of death, I can't imagine a worse punishment for any parent.
 

Disheartening
 

DisTurded?
DisGanGreen
DisGagmewithaspoon
 

And especially for DisGrace
DisEmboweled. Yaaa.




 

Susan was ready before and threw Cesar over for hot Tano and bet she would be ready now if it wasn't Cesar. Good & steady means not first.

Same for Marta. She was ready to ditch her husband and kids father for a cad and she still has her eye on Brian. Ramon and Marcos are the kind of guys Marta uses as a placeholder and it doesn't take much to keep them because they adore her.
 

You know. I look at where Luci is now and how happy she and her Dad, Marcos, were when she graduated and when that article came out in the paper where David acknowledged Marcos' indispensable wisdom and love of the land for making the LA vineyards what they were and I think about where she is today. If Marcos could see her now, of course he would love her and never, EVER judge her, but he would lovingly counsel her through what looks like a misstep on her part and a fall, a hard fall. Here she got an great start to her career in the vineyard on the lands he loved but got entangled in an infatuation with the vineyard owner, Marcos former boss, twenty years Luci's senior, a troubled and tortured man gripped in grief after his wife's death which is actually a murder by his always clawing, coveting sister in law. Now he is entrapped by his wife's murderer and her duplicitous, grasping mother. Luci surrenders to David and loses not only her "innocence" but something of her exuberance and independence. Marcos would see through DG's manipulation and would probably encourage Luci to leave the marionette DUHveed and the tangled, dysfunctional dynamics of LA vineyards behind.

The old folks used to say, you may fall in the mud, but you don't have to wallow in it. Get up out of the mud and move on, Luci.
 

And a faaaaamiiiillllyyyy
 

OT: I was watching Univision during my lunch break and noticed trailers for a new movie comedy coming out on April 28th called, "How to be a Latin Lover." It looks really funny (almost slapstick funny) so I just may go see it. Anyway, the main actor is a very handsome Mexican actor that I have seen before named Eugenio Derbez. Then the light bulb clicked on (I've only been watching Novelas steadily since January 2016 and previous to that, off and on and not a dedicated follower.) So my light bulb finally clicked on and I realized this is the same last name as the actor who plays "Leon" Jose Eduardo Derbez. Then I realized they are father and son. Doing some research, then I found out that Jose Derbez is also the son of Victoria Ruffo, who played the part of Victoria in the novela "Victoria".

So Eugenio Derbez may be making the transition to American movies it seems.
 

That was good, Lila!

It's true, none of this is what Luci thought she was coming back to the States for.

Eugenio Derbez was in a Disney movie a few years back. It was a bit role. The movie was about chihuahuas. He was running a pinata shop or something, but it was funny to see him.
 

...meant to say, the resemblance between Eugenio and Jose Eduardo is hard to ignore once you know they're related. First thing I saw him in was Que Pobres Tan Ricos, and I thought right away he must be a son or nephew.
 

Oh Julie, that's right, he was in "Beverly Hills Chihuahua! I remember that now.
 

Thanks, Julie. Luci is in a funky situation.

All I can see is Victoria Ruffo when I look at Leon. His full moon face makes him look like her with a beard!
 

The Eugenio is around the eyes.
 

Watching Jose Eduardo Derbez's Leon character's comedic interaction with Veronica Jaspeado's character of Sonia, I can see his father's influence on his for comedy.
 

Oh I meant: I can see his father's influence on HIM for comedy.
 

I can't yake Derbez seriously. (Father) No matter what he is doing or where he is, I expect him and everything for miles to be covered in fake fur. Famallliiiiaaaa Luci.
 

Hey, I just remembered. This morning my comcrap programming guide said Rosa de Guadalupe from 7 to 9, then Vino.

If that's correct, then I just have to ask: WHY are they airing two hours of THAT, but condensing two hours of Vino into one??
 

take
 

I also wonder where it got the name LoonyVision
 

Does anybody know what happened to erica' s mom. Adolfo's Wife. Did she did or did skip out cuz she couldn't deal with a sick child(erica).The girl does not Deserve a wicked stepmom like lil.And adolfo is way to good for her.
 

Did she die?⤴
 

Nina, Erika's mom is in Spain. They didn't explain why she left.
 


Didn't she go over to Spain to buy a couple of DisGoofy's Famous paintings and they just haven't revived her yet?
 

They never explained why she went back, but it was a long time ago. I think Erika saw her when she was there.
 

Julie..my TV guide lists the same..two hours of Rosa before Vino. Meh

Instead of cutting the crap out of the final weeks, why don't they just make fewer episodes. Brilliant idea, right? They s t r e t c h and go round and round , but then, they take the scissors out at the end.
 

I can't wait to check out Marta's shies tonight.👞👠👡👢👟 and clothes.👕👖👗👘👙👚👒
 

Oh I looked up the guide for tonight also and found that you all are right. We get 2 hours of Rosa de Guadalupe. It makes no sense whatsoever to fast forward through Vino and then Rosa just drags on and on and on....
 

They should bring her back so she and adolfo fall hard for each other again.
It could happen. Marta's gettin a make
Over ain't she? Stuff happens.There is One stuff I don't want to happen and that is davy hookin up with the blond redlipped succubus. I'll probably just change the channel and turn it back when they're finished. Yuck!!!
 

Oh NiNa it's going to happen. Even if she has to give DudVeed a Dubble dose of that shit Fer was partying on and then jump on like riding a dead horse.

He will regain consciousness and turn his head all the way around like Linda Blair in the first Exorcist movie.


 

Youngster beginning to have some scattered white feathers.
 

Yeah, pant ...pant...pant....can't wait to see Marta's shoes. :-)

Sue how'd you do that?

I still want to know how NoJuan is going to get caught. As much as I do not like him, I admit he covers his tracks pretty well.
 

Thankfully there was something about birds of prey on Nature and I skipped La Rosa.
 

Ten minutes and you girls get all that kissing you have been asking for.
 

And Jewels hit 200 comments.
 

Whoa! Well half of those comments are mine, so...

I think Juan will get caught by his own arrogance somehow. He thinks he's smarter than everyone else.

Either that or he'll try something with Carito, and Perla will rat him out.
 

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