Caray, Caray!

Gracias, Cynthia. I share your frustration and outrage at the cuts made by the network. They also edited last night's MdN, which is truly riling me up. On to my comments for these events:

Life is unfair. Adolfo certainly didn't deserve this loss. Unless his ex was pregnant and didn't know it when she walked out on him he now has no children. Maybe when he's had time to calm down he will adopt Miguel.

Miguel's words about Erika – that she brightened his life – describe what Luciana did for David. This is probably the wake-up call for David to see that Luciana is the woman who makes his life complete and that he should not waste time dithering about it.

David and Miguel are now brothers in grief. David's words to him were his own lessons learned. They need to join forces to see that Juan gets what's coming to him.

As for Brian's behavior during #119, he's still playing both sides of the street. I don't yet see where this is leading. If he's faking friendship for Juan I'll call it good.

Lillian seemed genuine when she went to see Adolfo. Lisa is only dead about 3 years so her grief is still intense. Based on my mother when my brother died, I'd agree that parental grief never completely goes away.

DisGracie and Juan were true to form in their non-grief. Carito was also in her incredible stupidity.

I do hope this doesn't mean that Carito gets Miguel in the end.

Not to mention that Erika's death is one more thing for Juan's rap sheet. If anyone is going to be around on Easter weekend I'll post the Karmageddon discussion on Friday. That would make it 17 episodes before the end.
 

Thank you dy. You were able to fumigate both vineyards with not hint of a wheeze.

"OK Mr. Revisionism"

I feel so sorry for Adolfo. Lilian was almost human as she tried to console him.

Not as a replacement but Adolfo should hire Luciana.

Horrible they had to kill Erika to free the galan. Now more mature, relationship seasoned childhood friends can make a real go.

What is Brian getting from his friendship with Juan? Twice now he has called and warned Juan.

 

Thank You DeeWye. I appreciate the dedication it takes to recap Vino El Groundhog Day.

She shouldn't have yelled at Miggy. Does he get the dinky ring back?
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blah...blah...blah...blah... Sheezo Meezo girl you are the talkingest dying chick
I ever saw, save your strength. Miggy STFU. You and Miggy both, just shut up, this is a special moment, Steve and I are revising our totals.

So these Einsteins at the “COMPETENT Vineyard” decide to take these dangerous (as evidenced by goggles and masks) chemicals INTO the Multipurpose Room to measure and mix rather than in the shop, warehouse, or open field where they will be applied.? Sorry, my brain came out of hibernation for a minute.

Fer is AWOL. Just when she was being a little nicer, Satan must have called her back.

I really felt sorry for Adolfo.


 

OOPs' sorry, dy77. i should never post before caffeine.

Kirby, that's right. These things should have been mixed and measured outdoors and Erika should never have touched them.

However, her death is what it will take for David and Miguel to take Juan down.
 

Erika's death might finally prompt Perla to take Juan down. David and Miguel got nothing but bluster.
 

Thanks, dy77! Sorry you got such a bummer of an episode! Nice work! "How Duh-vid of her except for the vow to work all day... The other parasites are playing video games with Bobby." - Exactly! And the pictures were awesome.

While watching this last night, I said to myself, I know it's a multi-purpose room, but WHO prepares a pesticide indoors? Like not even in a warehouse or garage, but a furnished office?? Que the hell??

And why didn't Erika have oxygen? After her last attack they should have looked into getting her an oxygen concentrator or a tank or something. Anyway, she was breathing well enough to talk, right up to the moment she expired (or lost consciousness). That doesn't make any sense.

Had to laugh when David emphatically told Grace to stay with the kids when he went to see Adolfo. Like, nice try Grace, but you said you wanted to take care of the kids, so hop to it. He's leaving her with Bobby every chance he gets!

I liked the scene where Bobby asked Grace to teach him to paint. It was interesting. I wanted to see where it would go.

Urban: "I do hope this doesn't mean that Carito gets Miguel in the end." Ugh, I hope so too. Unfortunately, I think he will end up marrying Adolfo's grapes.

I can't even guess what will happen next... but I will probably try several times anyway before the day is done.
 

dy, this was brimming with your wise, witty comments including "Since Uni editors are eating this show to shreds like parasites" and "Weird to see dysfunction at bodega del competency". Excellent job. Screen shots were great!

Adolfo. There was no acting. I felt as though I was watching a bereft father. I think this is the first time I cried during this TN. You could sense his pain. While I also felt for Miguel, there was something about Adolfo's anguish that touched my heart.

Yes tofie Lili did seem "almost human" when consoling him, didn't she? I fear the writers are putting her on a path to redemption. I don't think she deserves it.

Urban, you took the thought about Miguel ending up with Carito right out my head. If she survives, I agree that is a real possibility. While we were fairly certain Erika would not survive, it was very sad nevertheless.

"The multipurpose room" nailed it Kirby. I have to say, I didn't recall the room being quite that shabby. The walls were beyond scratched and that ugly brown couch actually looked dirty. Let's count the ways the room has been used: office, hangout, trysts, deadly chemical mixing and finally, a wake. ??? Speechless.

"Marta talks about how she felt when Marcos died". It's always about you Marta...

Seems a strange time for Fer to be absent. I'm not quite sure she's in the devil's lair Kirby :), but suspect she will materialize shortly...

dy, thank you. Wonderful as always.

Diana
 

Thank you DY! Lordy! Poor Erica! I think this IS so EvilMagicJuand can be taken down. Perhaps there will be proof as you all discussed yesterday since these tiny little buggies don't just usually stroll around the neighborhood looking for roses and grapes to infect.

Yah, it was SOOO STOOPID for them to mix the chemicals in the MPR. One of the workers even tried to stop Erica from handling the bug drugs or being around them. This has got to be the stupidest death set-up I have ever seen! They never do outside shots at the (formerly) bodea de competency or they could just as well have had her hit by a fumigation truck.

You lightened this tragic episode with so many zingers, DY, thanks for that. Here's just a couple:

the important thing is they found the parasite in time to fix things. Well Juan's parasite anyway. The other parasites are playing video games with Bobby.


Lilian comes in all perky and ready to rumble with Marta. What a Loser, Lil, if this is what turns you on!

I have to say, though, that Lilian WAS sincere, deeply moved and appropriately tender and attentive to poor Adolfo who was totally broken to pieces. I couldn't understand a word he was saying, he was crying so hard! Pobrecito! The support that the LA gang gave Miguel was also touching and seemed to be so helpful at a time that's impossible to describe in words. Even David (I'll call him by his name here) offered excellent support. I couldn't help thinking, though, that the same thing that brought David out of his funk may be needed to bring Miguel out of his -- Luciana. But I still don't think Luci and Miguel will end up together. Maybe Carito will get him after all. I don't have a problem with that.

The other big moment for me was another realization on Lil's part that her daughter is heartless. These revelations have been dripping along for the past few weeks and I do believe Lil was sincere at her shock and disgust that DisGrieveless was uncaring about Erica's death and only saw an opportunity to make a move on David.

Did you mention a scene between Grace and Lil where, after Lil scolded DG for her coldness, Grace bristled that she was always compared with Lisa even in death and accused Lil that Lil of wishing that DG died instead. DG ran away and had a panicked look on her face and had a flashback of her fight with and rocking Lisa.

The little meltdown that DG had with Lil makes me think, as one of my patio friends speculated, that DG may out herself in a fit of rage or psychotic glee. Powerful scene. I hope they put the flashback in.

Anyway. See y'all later. Thank you SO MUCH, DY! This is so appreciated!
 

Losing a life partner is not an easy thing. Marta actually lost Marcos when he was originally deported but didn't realize it at the time. We also don't know how long it took before she became a legal US resident. It is the law that if she would have gone back before that she could not have returned to the US for 10 years.

And there were all those kids who needed a mother: Leon, Fernanda, Bobby, Tano, and Miguel.

Since Lillian was complicit in Juan's embezzlement I think redemption would only be possible if she fessed up to it and got immunity if she blows the whistle on him. That would probably only apply if she knows of any serious material evidence. He is the one legally responsible for cooking the books so probably the only person who can point to that is Perla.
 

A week after Luciana delivered Marco's ashes to Marta she was already eyeballing Brian. Don't listen to her Miguel.
 

A major secondary character dies, the secondary (stealth primary) galan and her father have a breakdown over it...and Uni clips it. The fork?!?

That mindblowing idiocy aside, next to Carito's Leather Jacket of Adorable Sanity +1 and Erika's wake (which of course was in the Multipurpose Office Space--augh, really, show?) the best thing probably was Lilian's what-the-fork-is-wrong-with-you-girl bit when Graciela utterly blew off Erika's death. That appeared to lead directly to Lil's gentle comforting of Adolfo, and as Lila pointed out it continues the still relatively gentle softening of the bitchy bookworm in advance of whatever's coming with her sociopathic (psychopathic?) daughter.

As for Brian straight up violating LEO protocol by warning Juan about David wanting to sue him--which is kind of sane, IMHO, so it took him long enough--and possibly getting Adolfo to file homicide charges (could this possibly fall under involuntary manslaughter?)...at this point, does anybody know what the fork Brian is even doing now? Marking time until he recycles more karma?
 

I'm not sure if Erika's death qualifies as involuntary manslaughter (I doubt it), but I think Adolfo should be able to sue for wrongful death in civil court and go after everything Juan has.

Which might not be much after all the criminal charges are adjudicated.
 

IRL very doubtful you could get a DA to charge Juan for Erika's death. Now in a civil action against Juan they might attempt wrongful death but you had dozens of people expose themselves to the pesticide and no one else was even ill.

 

Bill, I think they are so trying to have Lilian cast only as a victim in this thing and it will be awful hard not to feel for her when she finds out DisGruntled killed Lisa! I just don't want her inflicted on poor Adolfo. They would REALLY have to do more than make her Grace's victim. What could cure her racist/classist ways? Hell, she don't even like her own grandson!
 

Thought, come to think of it, these last scenes with Bowbee presented a (supposedly) easier to empathize with Lilian. She just doesn't know how to relate to poor Boobee. I have to admit, that scene where Lil and Bobbi shooed DG from in front of the tv scene was cute!
 

"What could cure her racist/classist ways? Hell, she don't even like her own grandson!"

Thank you Lila! While generally in favor of redemption, I'm just not feeling it here.

That said, I don't wish her any harm. If she were "forced" to live in a modest home/apartment, and to fend for herself (no staff), that would suit me just fine. Her illusions of grandeur gone, she will have her "hot to" books to console her.

She can see what is left of her family any time she chooses. Hopefully, that will include Bobby.

Diana
 

Ha! Meant "how to" certainly not "hot to".

Smiling Diana
 

Erika had asthma or something like it. Such a person is more vulnerable to the risks of handling stuff like that pesticide.

We can also make the argument that Juan had it in for Miguel, whom he was trying to frame for the human trafficking.

Lillian has no sons, so it's no surprise that she may not be able to relate to little boys, even smart ones like Bobby. And based on what we've seen, she has no real friends either. If she had, she could have learned a bit about this from ones that had sons.
 

Thanks DY, you did a marvelous job with these two episodes smooshed together and I loved your screen shots.

Oh why, oh why didn’t Erica take care of herself? It seems to me that someone with asthma or the likes should have been taking way better care of herself. This is one death I did not want to happen at all because I wanted Miguel and Erica to get married and live happily ever after. I guess there are some people out there who put their lives in jeopardy in favor of their work/business and don’t care what happens to themselves. I don’t usually see women doing that though, mostly men are the ones who don’t take good care of themselves. My son has asthma and he never knowingly will put himself in a situation that will cause him breathing problems. He carries all sorts of meds with him, takes all kinds of stuff and will drive himself to the emergency room when he feels something is wrong. I found it really silly that Erica didn’t have a nebulizer with her. The way they wrote this novela was as though the story happened 50 years ago regarding what appears to be asthma.

DisGrace’s reaction to Erica’s death is further proof of her being a psychopath. Psychopaths have no feelings of empathy and do not sympathize over another person’s tragedy. She really had a “She’s dead, now who cares?” type of attitude. It even shocked Lilian this time.

 

Women can go into denial about illness for the same reasons that men do. Erika did not want to see herself as some fragile little flower. There was some past episode where she talked about being treated that way in the past and she hated it. Consequently she put on a brave face to the world and thus went into denial.

We do it in everyday ways when we get sick with the flu but still go to work. We don't want to look weak or useless to our bosses.

As I typed the above it also occurred to me that Erika's death and Lillian's reactions to it will provoke the revelation that DisGrace murdered Lisa.
 

Cynthia, I agree with Urban. I think we as women soldier on and carry on, despite our physical and emotional ills. We are expected to do it all and as Urban pointed out, we seem to have to "prove" ourselves over and over as being competent. It's wrong but it's par for the course.

I mean no disrespect to our male friends here. But, I think women are constantly being held to a rather unfair, more demanding standard.

You asked about Erica not having a nebulizer. I can only recall her having it nearby once. I think she loathed the fact she was ill and did not want to be dependent on any help/meds.

I have no doubt the chemicals did her in. She didn't even glove up.

Diana
 

Short of seeing a cell phone video of DisGrace clunking her sister and remorselessly watching her die in the river, it will be hard for Lillian to believe the worst about her daughter. She already has plenty of evidence, and seems to have known for years there is something not right. Lillian still appears to not have moved past the "Oh Grace, you are sooo baaad, girl." It is hard for a parent. The news is full of parents shown clear surveillance video maintain that "Oh that's not my (Bobby, Susan, Tim, Clark, whoever)" These are the ones who don't admit the obvious until the child has turned on them. Then it is too late.

My suspicion is that DisGonnadie will make it to the very end. She is smart, pretty, and completely without feelings which, unfortunately, will serve her purposes well. I expect her to take out a large number of her 'enemies/competitors/justice seekers' on her way down.

I just wish her and NoJuan's downward spirals could start sooner so we have more time to enjoy what may be the only redeeming part of this show.
 

"I mean no disrespect to our male friends here." Puuuleeeeze.

Though I admit if something of mine downstairs had gone awry every damn month and I was capable of getting preggers I would have had myself neutered by the time I was 16.

:-)
 

Just kidding around girls.
 

What's that eagle got in its mouth?

I don't always like to admit when I'm sick, but that doesn't mean that I won't take precautions. And it ESPECIALLY doesn't mean that I'll do something in an extra-dangerous, off-label way, like preparing a toxic solution indoors when I'm SURE it says all over the container "USE IN A WELL VENTILATED AREA."
 

Yah, I'd almost rather she got hit by a truck. That was so fudging stooped! But, I guess they wanted to show how much she loved the land and the grapes that she'd die for them. . .and add fuel to the "git Juanastranglehim" and allow DisGravitatingtowardhell a chance to show she's a soulless psycho.
 

The Eagle has a fish head. She had just fed the chicks a fresh catch and they do not eat the heads, so after lunch the Mom cleans out the nest and flies away with it. They have a spot nearby where they deposit garbage.
 

That is one way I decide whether chicks have hatched. When small they can not be seen hunkered down in the nest, so I always look for the garbage dump to see if they are feeding yet.
 

RIP Erika Ballesteros :(

What also pissed me off was that Univision cut the scenes in last night's episode.

Kirby: With Erika now gone, it's looking likely Carito will have Miguel all to herself UGH.


 

Kirby, I am really enjoying your avatars and your stories as well.

I meant to ask you what the beautiful pink bird was you posted a few days ago (?)

Diana
 

Okay, I have an idea.

We'll let Juan and Grace escape in the finale.

Then we'll do a sequel. We'll call it Grape Wars II: The Wrath of Juan.

It will be written by us and we will make sure that the only nonsense in it is the nonsense that we can agree on.
 

There. Yeah Steve, she looked cute with her new face on and her motorcycle jacket. Mig should waste no time. The only reason he ever gave her was that he was in Luuuuurve with Luc. That is over now, so game on.
 

A TN written by us with NoJuan and DisGrace as leads, and NOT called Goat Rodeo?
 

Roseate Spoonbill. I can't type today
 

Thanks Kirby. Beautiful bird.

Diana
 

Heh, I like Goat Rodeo too, but it's misleading. Not enough goats.
 

Awww Goat Rodeo is such a charming title, but you may be right . We Need MORE GOATS.

But for real cuteness:

Fuzzy baby Red Tail Hawk
 

Baby bird is cute because it's small... but just imagine a 12-foot-tall version of that thing stomping around the vineyard.
 

Presumably before it snatches up Graciela in its beak and tries to feed her to her young?
 

Wait, no. Not around the vineyard. He's stomping around the Olive Garden.
The fuzzy baby red tail hawk is angry.
The pesticide killed the bird's parents and given him mutant powers.
Now he wants justice.

But he doesn't shoot fire out of his mouth. That's so cliche. Instead, his mouth shoots... hmmm... Worms? Grapes? Wine? Olives?

David & co must gain the bird's trust so they can join in the fight against Juan.

Meanwhile, Luci is working at the Sunny Fields winery and couldn't be happier.

I'm not sure where Grace fits into this, TBH. Maybe she's trying to seduce the bird.
 

Diana and Urban: I agree that most women have to work twice as hard as men do in order to be noticed. But working through having a cold or just plain fatigue is a lot different than knowingly subjecting your life to danger when you KNOW you have an illness and how it can be triggered into a life threatening situation. I think that is why women live longer than men do because men are the ones who ignore their health and "suck it up" rather than take care of themselves.
 

Dy77, sad episode, good recap. I could
Actually feel the remorse of miguel &
Ericka. I hate that they killed her off. When I saw her standing by that
Pesticide I knew she was in trouble. I
Wished she'd stayed away from it.the
Guy was telling her he'd take care of it.But there had to be some collateral damage from juan's evil plan and erika
It was.
Still don't like discrazy.I think little beaubee is gonna catch Tia in a
Lie. Shortly. A lot more sadness before the happy happy endings.
Looks like the mig will have his own vineyard sooner than later.With a empty broken heart:(

Thank you dy77.

 

Julie, I loved this: "Then we'll do a sequel. We'll call it Grape Wars II: The Wrath of Juan."

LOL! I love your witty parody.
 

Remember, Erika's really not dead, as long as we remember her!

Maybe her ghost and Lisa's can join the fight.
 

Thanks, dy77, for the great recap.

I have also enjoyed the comments. I agree with so many of them.

I wrote a long comment and lost it, so all I will say is that losing a child is very difficult. I have lost many loved ones, my parents, in-laws, relatives, and friends. However, our first baby died unexpectedly the day after he was born , and it was a devastating experience. Parents never really let go of that child. Lilian seemed sincere consoling Adolfo because she had experienced the loss of a daughter.
 

Oh, Susanlynn, that's so sad! I'm sorry.

I've heard from multiple people that losing a child is the worst thing imaginable, and that it is a parent's worst nightmare even if it never happens.

The circumstances of Erika's death were particularly horrible and stupid (as was the decision to hold her wake in the very same room where she had died). I liked Lil's immediate reaction to go to Adolfo. I don't know what her long-term intentions toward him are, but she went to him right away without having to think about it, and didn't even ask him for wine!
 

I cannot wait until stone cold Disturbed is discovered, dismantled, and discarded. (I have been thinking about this too much.)
 

Susanlynn, sending love and hugs to you. I cannot imagine so will only say you have my prayers...

Diana
 

Julie, you added another reason to hate "THAT" room as they held "her wake in the very same room where she died". Ack. Just horrible.

Beyond tacky...

Diana
 

I could not believe my eyes when I saw that they were using the MPR for her wake. I feel like the budget must have gotten really low if they couldn't find a way to show them preparing the pesticide outdoors, and couldn't find a better place to have Erika's wake. (Like a funeral home, or a different room in the house... going by the size of the building, they might have one or two.

I've also noticed that there is a canopied entrance in front of their home. How many private homes have this? (Not just a little awning over the doorstep, but a walkway.) Makes it look like a restaurant or hotel, which is probably what that building is in real life.
 

I will tell you why women live longer. Every single thing a man owns has a handle on it. We don't want a tie or purse or jewelry for birthdays. We want shovels and drills and saws, anything we can work with and which can potentially injure/kill us.
 

Sending you hugs SusanLynn.
 

Did anyone notice the closeup of the paneling on the wall behind THE sofa? Old, scratched up, dirty and just raggedy. I am sure Erik and Miggs didn't do all that to it in a couple weeks, if they did, no wonder the girl is no longer with us.
 

Is that big exposed aggregate two story structure supposed to be their house or the winery?
 

'decision to hold her wake in the very same room where she had died" They don't call it the Multi Purpose Room for nothing now do they?
 

Thanks for all your kind hugs and sentiments. I guess the hardest part was that nobody knew anything was wrong. I was lucky that I was nursing Stevie because they brought him to me in the middle of the night. He opened his eyes and looked up at me , and he looked like Hubba. Then, in the morning, there was a lot of whispering outside my door. He had a severe heart defect..only three chambers in his heart instead of four. I was fortunate to have a great husband , family, and friends to help my recover. Six months later, I had a miscarriage. Then , three months later a medical problem. My mother always said that bad things happen in threes. At that point, Hubba and I decided to just get back on our feet. About two years after my son died, I had our first daughter, and two years after that, our second daughter was born.
 

Bless you Sue for never giving up.

Maybe late, but some flowers?
 

Aw, honey, hugs, love and light to you! Bless you and thank you for thinking enough of us to share such a personal and painful event in your life!

Ah, Vino, yes, the budget must have been non-existant. You mean they couldn't even go to a church or, yes, funeral home or even a lovely spot under a tree near the vineyard. Sad.

Well, Susanlynn, as you and others noted, the institution of marriage took a heavy hit in this production and the death of Erica is another blow against it. Miguel proposes and less than a week later the bride to be bites the (contaminated) dust HARD! Not only did this group flunk their SATs, they witnessed growing up or personally experienced some scarring marriages! Jeeze Louise!
 

They always show that building just before showing us the MPR, so I have to assume it's their house. (Because the office is apparently just two steps away from Erika's bedroom. I'd like to live a little closer to work too, but not THAT close. At least let me walk down a hallway.)

Maybe it's supposed to be both the house and the winery. I'm not sure if that would work, but we have already suspended disbelief so much that a little more won't matter.
 

Wow, Susanlynn, what an ordeal. I'm so glad things got better for you, but what a sad beginning.
 

Definitely a budget thing.

So sorry to read that, Susanlynn. I'm glad you had such great family and friends to help you.
 

I wonder why TPTB thought that nobody would notice if they used that tiny room for every scene. It did make for lots of funny comments here at Caray. However, last night was the epitome of stupidity having people come calling in that tiny room. I could accept Adolfo and Lilian talking in Erica's room because Adolfo would want to be there.


I still think that Luci must end up with the star..GS. I am not so happy about Carito ending up with Miguel, but perhaps the writers think that she should be rewarded for being used by Perla and Juan and threatened by Marked.


One thing about this show is that it has me wondering how everything will be resolved.

I hope that we will be rewarded with a good show to follow and that most of the folks here stay around. Is it going to be "Double Life?". I would get lonely all alone outside detention hall , and Outlander does not start until September, so I need a good (or really bad) telenovela to keep me occupied until then.
 

I've been thinking about it (watching the new one). I guess I'll decide when I know more about it. (Stevey posted a thing a month or two ago about upcoming attractions - I'll see if there's anything about Doble Vida there.)
 

Dy77...just had to let you know that I loved the screencap photos and funny observations. I especially loved " my patented move to stop the game playing." Ha.

Another gorgeous day here sunny and clear after a gray, drizzly morning start.
 

Kirby, yeah, I had noted and commented on the filthy paneling/wall and the dirty couch. Ack. Not a place to live, breathe, eat and certainly not to honor the dead.

Susanlynn, yes, Double Life has already been advertised and is starting on May 8! Several La Malquerida folks so I'm definitely on board!

Diana
 

Kirby, the flowers were lovely. What a nice gesture! Your softer side is showing.

But not to worry, your secret is safe with me :)

Diana
 

Y'know, as I was watching David mobilize the troops to begin spraying last night, I couldn't help wishing he would have been that passionate about wanting to keep Luci.
 

Diana Shhhhh !
 

Yeah that was nice, how about a hawk eating a snake alive?
 

Diana..oh good. I am so happy that you and I will be sharing another show. I would muss you. And yes, we have cone to know the softer side of Kirby during this telenovela. We already knew the funny , witty side.

Kirby...Thanks for the flowers. It was a long time ago. The wound becomes a scab and then a scar. We all have our scars. They make us who we are.
 

Aw, I like snakes. How about a snake eating a hawk?
(Ew, apparently it happens. I made the mistake of looking on Google.)
 

muss?????...miss!! Sorry..hurrying, careless !
 

Susanlynn: Univision stupid for cutting those deleted scenes.
 

Julie...really. My older daughter freaks out when she sees a snake on TV..phobia .

I was googling last night and found a list of animals and birds that mate for life. Bald eagles are in the list. No snakes. Then, I was researching elephants.. Fascinating animals.
 

Thanks Cynthia...what a chore to piece together this tattered TN but you did it quite well, it's much appreciated!

Welski...Erica bit the parasite infected dust and I am shocked I tell you..Shocked! NOT!
Who didn't see this dumb twist coming, with all the profession of love and her labored breathing the last few days. Do I feel bad? Nope..dumb broad was a hot whiny mess and instead of saving her lungs for the man she loved, she wanted to get out there and do Miggy's job for him because she got the mirror ball wine glass trophy and damnit..she wasn't about to let her winning product be taken from her. Add to that while she lay dying she kept wheezing and blathering on instead of just laying there and being quiet and preserving what lung capacity she had left. On and on she went...life is so unfair, why can't I live? Why did this have to happen? Oh my love..oh blah blah blah. All the while I'm rolling my eyes saying GO ALREADY! Into the light..GO! Ay ay ay! Such drama and long goodbyes!

You know what I did enjoy? Dudveed finally sucker punching NoJuan in those fat ugly lips of his. I wish he would have kept pummeling him to death until he was nothing more than a smashed up wet pumpkin head. DIE and be GONE NoJUAN!

DisGrace continues to show her cold ass doesn't she? She dropped the news about Erica like it was no big deal to Lilian. What did she think the reaction was going to be? Her mother has a long standing friendship with the girls father. I found myself very moved by Lilian reaching out to Adolfo and sharing her feelings regarding losing Lisa. I personally have never lost a child, but I've lost two sibling and it's very fresh in my mind and watching my mother grieve. Lil was right, just because you have other children it doesn't ease the pain. I can't imagine how Lil is going to lose her f'ing mind when she learns her surviving child is the reason her other beloved child is dead. Condolences to you SusanLynn.

I personally don't care to see Carito with Mig. I'm not a fan of Mig's but he deserves better than her. Furthermore, just because she's repented of her choices doesn't mean she should be rewarded. Like Marta with Ramon, if the sparks had been there, Mig would have noticed her a long time ago. The writers need to stop trying to make 'fetch' happen with Ramon and Carito. Let Marta and Mig just remain single. This love the one you're with..just cause it's what's there and convenient never works.

I do like that Lucia and Mig have remained friends. Let's just keep it that way.
 

I think that office was the spot for the wake,because Ericka loved the wine
Country and that's where she thrived.
Taking care of her inheritance and she
Loved that land,and her and migeul also fell in love there in that office
So, that's where the last goodby is said. Now he's gonna inherit that vine
Yard. And he and duhveed will be BFFs.
But only after jkuan is no more. Well
That's my thinking anyway.
 

Delilah, exactly. I hate these powder puffs doing a choreographed "fight". NoBody fights like that. If you can knock him down that is the time to do some well placed kicking and have him squeaking like a little girl. Boots are a plus. Then pile on his ass and beat him so his own Mama won't recognize him. Beat him like a rented mule so he don't even WANT to get up.

One Punch Chump !

About as believable as Erika reciting Elizabeth Barrett Browning's complete works on her deathbed when she can't even breathe.

Kirbo
 

And if you don't have the stomach to actually whip his ass, just bitch slap him and walk away.
 

Kirbo, every word of your post is spot on. If you have a guy like NoJuan who has been pressing you and testing your last nerve, WTF would you just punch him once? Hell you unload on him like a beast! David should be in the slammer by now and NoJuan should be dead or at the very least a vegetable due to David's fists of fury!

As for Erica, I just wanted this chick to STFU! She kept crying and wheezing and talking..no matter how many times Smug told her to stay quiet, but no..in true form she had to talk and whine him to death. I was never so glad to see it be over as when she finally died. Gravy! Such a promising character ended up becoming a tiresome whiny insecure bore.
 

Thanks all!

Susanlynn I am sorry for your loss. I felt Lilian's sincerity as well.

Lila, sorry didn't get a chance to see full episodes; only what I found on YT.
 

Hey, no prob, DY! Going out to YT to look for missing scenes is much appreciated. Please don't apologize!

;D