Tuesday, December 05, 2017
Caer en Tentación #32, 12/4/17, Lunes: Illicit Relations and Their Price Tags
Poor Nico will need a shrink, too, if this keeps going on in the same vein.
I am confused. You wrote right after Nico left: "As he left his predecessor stepped out of the shadows, pounded on Alina's gate, then rang the bell. When she came out she brutally rejected him and told him to leave immediately or she would call the police." Is Nico's 'predecessor' Frederico? I may have been confused but I thought the person ringing Alina's bell was Frederico. And from your comment, did Frederico have any prior relationship with Alina? Frederico seemed smitten with Lola. So any clarification would be greatly appreciated.
The only connexion between Alina and Federico is through two other people. Before she went to bat for Santiago she mentioned knowing Miriam's lawyer so she knew all his tricks. She walked into the police station knowing what to expect from Rueda's tactics and thus having coached Santiago in how to conduct himself and was therefore able to get Santiago off the hook for anything Miriam wanted him charged for.
I like the recent trend in novelas to have psychology professionals rather than priests. I wonder whether this is reflecting a more secular outlook in Mexican life.
Lola is in no position to judge her brother over this, either. Both are now involved with mentally ill adults who are in authority positions over them. Santiago doesn't know the half of what Juan is about and the revelation of Nico and his Mrs Robinson could really send him over the edge.
"If he could have bottled his gall he would have been a millionaire" and "He did not realize in that moment that Vicente was out for blood" were among my favorite of many.
While it is likely nothing here should surprise, I was dismayed at Laura's lingering look at Juan. Though she obviously has no scruples in stealing information for her "news" reports, that is certainly not her only fault.
There are so many predators. Andres, Alina, Juan, Vincente. And, as Laura has preyed upon Lola with little regard for her well being or safety (in pushing the envelope with Juan), can/should we include her here?
I suspect there are evil, dark secrets in Vincente and Caro's upbringing. Why does he hate his sister with such vehemence?
Yes, Carolina is a cheater and an adulterer. But I've still not seen anything to garner the hatred that so many harbor for her.
I'm very uneasy with Raq and Santi together. Uncomfortable is not a strong enough word.
Urban, thank you.
As to the comments about Carolina and Vicente's childhoods, one of the things that is irritating me about novelas in recent years is the omission of backstory information about the mature characters. This series is worse than PyP for that. In both examples we have only one of the four mature characters with a living parent, but here we have three who have living contemporaries: Damian, Raquel, and Carolina. Yet we have no information about what kind of people most of their parents were.
Based on the knowledge that Damian's father started the factory but ended up bankrupt we can conclude that he was either unprepared or feckless. Miriam made one comment that points to the latter but since I don't remember it it may have been rather vague. We know that Santiago's father was a cop and was a good friend of Antonio's. Beyond these two things we know nothing about the deceased parents of any of the four. None of them have ever spoken of them.
Your comment about Laura "seriously think she married Fernando to be able to get police info to stay ahead of her competition. He's attractive, but that was not his prime asset in her book" was shrewd and spot on.
I agree that it'd be useful to know more of the backgrounds of the four main characters. All of their kids, expect Fede (possibly until now), have their own unique storyline. I say Fede has a storyline now because he is either not interested in that Sabrina chick or not interested in girls in general. Him being the normal one of the four kids makes him the odd one out.
Alina and Laura are very much alike: using men to their advantage instead of the other way around. They are proving that they won't allow themselves to be manipulated by a man, Laura in particular. We know Alina and Rueda have some sort of rivalry, but why? Maybe Nico's predecessor will provide more clues.
I still don't believe Nacho is a suspect. Andres at the top of my list.
Sure hope Fede and this new girl Nico introduced him to hit it off. Fede could use a healthy friendship, after dealing with his sister's problems.
Even before her affair, Vicente has alluded that Caro "owes" him for leaving him behind to live the good life with Santi. My theory is that Vicente and Caro's father was a brute. Maybe Vicente got the bulk of the brutality, maybe he even protected Caro at some point.
”What do you want? Do you want me to leave the house? Do you want us to separate?”
Caro had an excellent opening to leave Santi and end his misery, but she didn’t take it.
“Are you nuts?” he asked, almost not believing his ears.
Nico, when Little Nico is back in his place, think clearly and you'll realize, yes, she's as mad as a hatter.
Laura is a disappointment. I knew all she wanted was the story, but to be turned on by crazy, violent Juan when her own husband is so much better is downright stupid.
Whether Carolina's father was a violent brute or a simple working-class man, Carolina had what it took to at least improve her life. She had enough beauty to attract Santiago who had enough ambition to start his own business, even if his real ambition was derailed by her first pregnancy. Was she an unemotional mother with Lola because of that? Possibly. They must have been doing well enough when Nico was born since their house is spacious enough and is surrounded by hedges and a fence with a gate (although we haven't seen the full exterior).
We don't know how or when Carolina's parents died. She seems to have sold their house and taken all the money for it, which is what also prompts me to wonder whether Vicente was in prison or was completely disinherited for some other reason.
He is extremely resentful of whatever financial and social advantages she had, which isn't entirely about his own failure. He may be expressing some serious reverse-snobbery that I have seen in the real world. Whether their parents felt this way I don't know. We don't even know if they were still alive when she married Santiago. I'm wondering whether the writers even thought about this.
Let’s take just the boys. Where they are in the present versus where they were in the past, make it more difficult to get a read on Frederico’s likes than for Nicolas (Nico). For example, earlier TF posted: “I say Fede has a storyline now because he is either not interested in that Sabrina chick or not interested in girls in general. Him being the normal one of the four kids makes him the odd one out.” Well all four of them are odd. But it is especially difficult to figure out Fredo given the jumble of the past versus the present. In the past he seemed to be interested in Lola, Nico’s sister; in the flashback in this episode we have Nico trying to set him up with Sabrina without much enthusiasm on his part. This might be explained because he is interested in Lola and thus not interested in anyone else. Lola does not seem to have given him much encouragement since she’s besotted with Juan. So we really do not know much about Fredo except (a) he had an interest in Lola and (b) he thinks Nico should stay away from his sister, Mia. He apparently is aware of how twisted his sister is with the self-mutilation.
Not much of a clue I suspect of his present feelings for Lola, and even perhaps, Mia.
As for Nico, well he had it for Mia until she cut him and suggested the only way a relationship would work if he joined her in the mutilation. At one point he called her ‘loco’. But now his hot ‘abuser’ Alina has made an even more crazy suggestion (order): go sleep with Mia tonight and let me know who you like better tomorrow! Nico better tell Santiago of his trouble with women since his dad can certainly give him some pointers. Actually Damian, if he ever wakes up, could give him the best advice: stay celibate.
And all for 3 years of Rollin in the gay. I agree with vinny,I dont believe
He love her. She an exciting date. And
They dated to sex right up under their
Spouses noses. And neither one of em
Have a dam about their families. I bet
The Ol lady did it.As for somebody out
Of the ordinary, I choose her. That Ol
Girl has alot of hate in her. What if
Damian's dad did to her what he's done
To raq, tho she don't care about raq,
She just hate the women the men cheat
With. And if raw can be blamed for it
Thats kill In two birds with one stone
.It's just a what if thing I was think
Those kids are so Messed up.And the poor Child with that grownass lawyer freek, Yeah Greek.She couldbe arrested for Statutory rape or sexualabuse.Shes a nutJob.
Ok going home from work.
Thank you Urban.
How much does he know about Lola getting her freak on with her gym teacher?
The ages assigned to the four "kids" indicate that none of this is stat rape by Mexican standards. If three of them were 15 in the 3 years ago and the other (Lola) 17 per this page they are all over the minimum age of consent. However, the law regarding estupro allows sexual relations with someone under 18 but above the minimum age of consent to be prosecuted under certain conditions.
This means that if Nicolas is 18 now Alina can get away with this unless Nicolas is willing to say that she extorted sex from him for representing his father.
Gabriela is another predator. Damian was her original target and now Santiago. This has to be about her trying to stick it to Raquel since she associates both men with her.
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