Saturday, April 25, 2020
WEEKEND DISCUSSION 4/25/20: Karmageddon for the guilty in Me Declaro Culpable
It's
that time again, amigos!. There is a lot of guilt to go around in
this cuna de locos.* Too much to resolve in the last dozen
episodes. Not to mention that anything with a title like this will
have lots of consequences for its denizens' actions.
As
usual, this will be a two-part question:
- What fate do you think they deserve?
- What do you think the writers will do to these perverse creatures?
Roberta
Monroy de Uzúa / Daniela
Castro
Guilty
of murdering a blackmailer, infantilizing her young adult daughter,
forcing said daughter back into a relationship she wanted to end,
making death threats to a woman she felt threatened by, serving as an
accomplice to Julián in
drugging Natalia's tea, blackmailing a doctor to do an IVF procedure,
attempted murder of Alba, playing the pathetic to hold onto a husband
who is fed up with her, murdering Luciana (the doctor who tried to give her a
reality check). Attempted murder of Mauro, attempt to frame Franco for
domestic violence, assault (Julián,
with a rock), bribing lies out of a doctor, and multiple fashion
felonies.
Julián
Soberón / Pedro Moreno
Guilty
of multiple counts of drugging the unwilling Natalia, at least once
with the intent to rape, blackmailing Natalia with threat of exposure
about the accident that put Paolo in a wheelchair, making Natalia
leave the scene of the accident, gaslighting Natalia regarding the
circumstances and facts of the accident, engaging an adulterous
husband in extortion scheme to get money from Roberta, paid two thugs
to attack and rob Pablo, conspiracy to bribe, sending an edited –
and incriminating – video to Franco, multiple fashion felonies.
Also guilty of thinking he is all that and a bag of chips.
Ingrid
Dueñas / Sabine Moussier
Guilty
of killing her brother and framing Alba for the “crime.” Guilty
of seducing Mauro into getting video evidence against her(self)
dismissed, verbally gaslighting and abusing her nephew, keeping her
nephew from his mother with lies about his mother killing his father,
accessory after the fact (Roberta murdering Liliana), arson to cover
up the escape from the manicomio, drugging her nephew with possible
murderous intent, perjury (telling Mauro and the police that Alba
assaulted her), sexual betrayal, drugging Alba to keep her away from
Gabriel, Muchhausen's Syndrome by Proxy (Gabriel) and practicing
witchcraft without a license.
Mauro
Monroy / Enrique Rocha
Guilty
of ignoring his daughter's mental health issues when they could have
been helped, getting a judge to dismiss damning evidence of Ingrid's
mental illness, attempted murder of Julian, failure to protect the
rest of his family from Roberta, possible goading of his wife to
commit suicide, and consorting with someone just as crazy as Roberta.
Katia
Romo (Alejandra Garcia)
Guilty
of digging for gold (dropping Paolo when he became paralyzed),
attempted murder in almost running down Natalia on the road,
harrassment (Natalia) and just being annoying.
Tiziano
Castolo (Ramiro Fumazoni)
Guilty
of bribery, murder (Rufino Santos), madness (still in love with BSC
Roberta), and pretentious male fashion.
*Updated as of Capitulo 49 (out of 62)
Labels: culpable, Karmageddon, weekend
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My predictions:
Roberta: Suicide, but no opinion yet on how she will do it. I think it should be very bloody, like with a knife. Since she has such a high opinion of herself, perhaps like a Roman matron (slitting wrists in a warm bathtub). Suicide note addressed to Natalia.
Julian: Murder, by Roberta (since she failed the first time). But not before he has a chance to send the murder video to Franco.
Ingrid: Prison, where she will be regularly beaten in genpop by women who will avenge what she did to Gabriel.
Mauro: Major attack of conscience, perhaps ending up on a shrink's couch. Initial rejection from Alba, but eventually being accepted by her and Gabriel (if he survives; I hope he does).
Katia: This bitch will get off scot-free.
Tiziano: If Roberta doesn't kill him first he will go to prison for the murder of Rufino Santos.
Roberta: Suicide, but no opinion yet on how she will do it. I think it should be very bloody, like with a knife. Since she has such a high opinion of herself, perhaps like a Roman matron (slitting wrists in a warm bathtub). Suicide note addressed to Natalia.
Julian: Murder, by Roberta (since she failed the first time). But not before he has a chance to send the murder video to Franco.
Ingrid: Prison, where she will be regularly beaten in genpop by women who will avenge what she did to Gabriel.
Mauro: Major attack of conscience, perhaps ending up on a shrink's couch. Initial rejection from Alba, but eventually being accepted by her and Gabriel (if he survives; I hope he does).
Katia: This bitch will get off scot-free.
Tiziano: If Roberta doesn't kill him first he will go to prison for the murder of Rufino Santos.
Roberta - I agree with suicide. My Crockpot Theory© is that she will overdose on pills (the painless easy way out).
Katia - she is annoying but has not committed any crimes that I can think of, other than being annoying. ;-)
Katia - she is annoying but has not committed any crimes that I can think of, other than being annoying. ;-)
Katia's karma will be gaining 3 pounds.
UA, this is such a fun idea for a recap! Your synopses are a nice summation. They've really done a lot of bad when you see it all listed.
Blue Lass: Alma missed Gabe's first Chemo treatment. That was her 11:00 appointment.
Julieta holding hands with Gabe and skipping off to his bedroom was gross.
If Paolo decides not to press charges, does that mean Natalia gets off?
UA, this is such a fun idea for a recap! Your synopses are a nice summation. They've really done a lot of bad when you see it all listed.
Blue Lass: Alma missed Gabe's first Chemo treatment. That was her 11:00 appointment.
Julieta holding hands with Gabe and skipping off to his bedroom was gross.
If Paolo decides not to press charges, does that mean Natalia gets off?
R la O -- "Alma missed Gabe's first Chemo treatment. That was her 11:00 appointment."
Thank you. That explains Ingrid's motive to drug Alba. I was not using CCs yesterday so missed some stuff.
Thank you. That explains Ingrid's motive to drug Alba. I was not using CCs yesterday so missed some stuff.
I love this URBAN, even though I have no useful karma ideas whatsoever. The "multiple fashion felonies" and "just being annoying" categories are the best. And I do like ROSEMARY's suggestion that Katia's karma will be gaining 3 pounds. I had a student in my aerobics class (who finally dropped out at 88), but retained her immense discipline after moving to a retirement home. She noted to me recently that in 3 years, she had gained 3 pounds. Ye gods! I can can three pounds in a weekend! #lovestoeatandnotabouttostop #whoamIkiddingcan'tstop
Oooo I've never done a Karmageddon before. Fun...!
ROBERTA: Much as I'd like to see her in a dowdy prison frock being bullied by big girls from the barrio, there isn't a judge in the world -- or even in Alternate Mexico City -- who would find her competent to stand trial. And in any manicomio she'd still be the Queen of Mean, so I guess death it is. But could it be a wasting disease, please, in some naco nursing home where no one visits and she can't reach her make-up case? Thanks.
MAURO: If he did torch his wife, he has to pay, obvi. But if not, he's really just one more super-entitled annoying old white guy, and don't we all know plenty of those? I'd settle for being run out of his precious law firm on a rail, after which he can spend the rest of his life making it up to Alba. Maybe I just can't bring myself to punish That Voice. How about he and Alba start a non-profit reading to the blind, and Berti has to watch a documentary about it on TV, because everyone at the nursing home thinks she'll love it?
ROBERTA: Much as I'd like to see her in a dowdy prison frock being bullied by big girls from the barrio, there isn't a judge in the world -- or even in Alternate Mexico City -- who would find her competent to stand trial. And in any manicomio she'd still be the Queen of Mean, so I guess death it is. But could it be a wasting disease, please, in some naco nursing home where no one visits and she can't reach her make-up case? Thanks.
MAURO: If he did torch his wife, he has to pay, obvi. But if not, he's really just one more super-entitled annoying old white guy, and don't we all know plenty of those? I'd settle for being run out of his precious law firm on a rail, after which he can spend the rest of his life making it up to Alba. Maybe I just can't bring myself to punish That Voice. How about he and Alba start a non-profit reading to the blind, and Berti has to watch a documentary about it on TV, because everyone at the nursing home thinks she'll love it?
INGRID: Definitely the manicomio, where she has to spend all day being verbally abused by The Ghost of Javier and has nowhere to burn off all that nervous energy. Oh, and they should shave her head. Gabe will visit dutifully every week but talk about Alba the whole time.
JULIAN: This one is tough. He's a complete toad, yet clearly has a conscience -- Roberta's murderous impulses always made him blanch -- so I think he can be saved. I'd settle for a paralyzing injury that leaves him in the dreaded wheelchair for the rest of his life. Since the docs at TOHIMC operate completely outside the laws of physics and medicine, they could do a miracle leg transplant, and Paolo could be a big soccer star after all in his little plaid shorts. Best of all, he and Natalia would live happily ever after, which means THEY WILL NEVER APPEAR IN ANOTHER TELENOVELA. Future generations will thank us.
JULIAN: This one is tough. He's a complete toad, yet clearly has a conscience -- Roberta's murderous impulses always made him blanch -- so I think he can be saved. I'd settle for a paralyzing injury that leaves him in the dreaded wheelchair for the rest of his life. Since the docs at TOHIMC operate completely outside the laws of physics and medicine, they could do a miracle leg transplant, and Paolo could be a big soccer star after all in his little plaid shorts. Best of all, he and Natalia would live happily ever after, which means THEY WILL NEVER APPEAR IN ANOTHER TELENOVELA. Future generations will thank us.
UA, this is fun to do. Decide about
These nutjobs.
3 of these people should really go to a mental facility. Never to see the outside again. Ever. In this century.
No katia should gain a woppin 10lbs.
Mauro should get stuck with being together with ingy. And her really dead brother. Havin tacos for dinner 3
Nights a week.
Ingrid is uber crazy. Send her to jail. She can get visits from her bro
And mauri.
Julian should be sentenced to jail for
At least a year and forced to watch
Movies about Jon Bobbet.
Tizzy should be locked up for every
Lie he's told and forced to listen to
Roberta's rendition of "climb every mountain". That should have him fer sher climbing up the wall, & screaming for Help.
These nutjobs.
3 of these people should really go to a mental facility. Never to see the outside again. Ever. In this century.
No katia should gain a woppin 10lbs.
Mauro should get stuck with being together with ingy. And her really dead brother. Havin tacos for dinner 3
Nights a week.
Ingrid is uber crazy. Send her to jail. She can get visits from her bro
And mauri.
Julian should be sentenced to jail for
At least a year and forced to watch
Movies about Jon Bobbet.
Tizzy should be locked up for every
Lie he's told and forced to listen to
Roberta's rendition of "climb every mountain". That should have him fer sher climbing up the wall, & screaming for Help.
Permalink posted by 
: Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 11:55:00 PM EDT
: Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 11:55:00 PM EDT
As far as I am concerned, the jury is still out on whether Mauro actually killed Isabel. He may have tried to call her bluff by goading her into lighting the match, as Franco did to Roberta in the scene with the photo I posted in this discussion. Enrique Rocha has played so many villains it's a knee-jerk reaction to assume that Mauro did the crime.
We did not see what the child Roberta actually saw, nor heard what she heard. I would think that she would have be even more horrified if she actually saw Mauro light the match.
The writers probably left this blank on purpose so we would speculate on it until the penultimate episode when we will likely hear/see the rest of that story.
We did not see what the child Roberta actually saw, nor heard what she heard. I would think that she would have be even more horrified if she actually saw Mauro light the match.
The writers probably left this blank on purpose so we would speculate on it until the penultimate episode when we will likely hear/see the rest of that story.
UA--You always deliver with your Karmageddons. It's an opportunity to "revisit" some of the more horrific pecados our characters have engaged in. I'm always disappointed that the most evil characters always end up with some mental deviation which excuses their actions.
Roberta in this tn is no different. We start out hating her for the way she treats Nat and then there's the cover up and the offing of an inconvenient witness, her underhanded dealings with Julian and Tizzy, and her personal storm against Alba, who she sees as the source of the breakup of her marriage.
When we realize that her impulses are driven by imbalances she doesn't control it's to late to find a scintilla of pity for her. Having had a strict, unfeeling and vindictive father and a mother who died by fire was no help to her fragile sanity. How she lasted for 20 years with Franco and and a nearly normal daughter can only be credited to Telenovela Magic. She needs help and it's not the kind of help the writers have given her (nor has she taken, as UA points out). She's a lost cause.
Roberta in this tn is no different. We start out hating her for the way she treats Nat and then there's the cover up and the offing of an inconvenient witness, her underhanded dealings with Julian and Tizzy, and her personal storm against Alba, who she sees as the source of the breakup of her marriage.
When we realize that her impulses are driven by imbalances she doesn't control it's to late to find a scintilla of pity for her. Having had a strict, unfeeling and vindictive father and a mother who died by fire was no help to her fragile sanity. How she lasted for 20 years with Franco and and a nearly normal daughter can only be credited to Telenovela Magic. She needs help and it's not the kind of help the writers have given her (nor has she taken, as UA points out). She's a lost cause.
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