Thursday, June 18, 2020

WEEKEND DISCUSSION 6/18/20: Evils and Anvils…Too Much? Too Little?

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In 70 BC, when writing about law and crime, Marcus Tullius Cicero opined, “Let the punishment be proportionate to the offenses.”  And how many times has that happened (or not) in Telenovelalandia?  

We can identify villains from the inception of  the TNs and OH! how we tend to grit our teeth and throw nerfazos at them; though we know that their evil ways and crimes will only get worse as the story evolves. They plot, they lie, they prey on their victims mercilessly…and we hope that karmageddon comes sooner than later (sometimes to no avail).

For this week, we want you to delve into the villians of the past (or present) and the karmageddon which befell them. Who got what was coming to them and what did they get? Was it too much, too little, too quick?  

If you need a refresher about some of the villains and their karmageddon, take a look at the index posted early last week of Karmageddon pages posted by Urban Anthropologist (thank you, Urban!!).

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I've seen so many good anvils dropped, but then there have been some that just didn't "hit" the mark. It's hard to remember all of them, but I can tell you my most memorable ones (for now).

1. Danilo (Alberto Estrella) being sent to prison and burned to death in the courtyard by his fellow mates. La Malquerida
2. Diana (Altair Jarabo) had her eyes gouged out by Fausto who led her to a cliff where she fell (K-PLUNK!) Que Te Perdone Dios
3. (Dis)Grace > (Kimberly Dos Ramos) falling down the stairs and dying instantly Vino El Amor This one is memorable because it was too quick!
4. Fausto (Mike Biaggio) and La Toña (Claudia Rios) being arrested and though it wasn't shown, probably ended up in prison. La Doble Vida de Estella Carrillo The worst about this one is that Univision cut this scene...and these were too quick and too little!
5. Emanuel (Arturo Barba) being locked in a dog cage for the rest of his sorry life by Mireya's father. La Bella y las Bestias BEST ONE!!

These are the ones that come to mind right now. Once others are posted, I'll probably add more.

Have a great day!!
 

Adriana Noel here
Great topic!

Now let's see if I can come up with some good anvils...
Rubi with a destroyed face and sans one leg
Barbara in MEPS - burned and alone in jail
Kendra killed by wolves...

I noticed that many villain women end up with a bad face, a token of their superficiality. Simple death would be too easy...

RGV, I might have an idea for a weekend discussion, is anyone supposed to write something for next week?
 

RGV Chick, I completely agree about Disgrace. Too quick and insufficient suffering. She should have had a worse fate than I gave her in my Alternate Finale. Here are some of mine thoughts on others:

Inadequate:

Catalina Creel
(Paz Vega) of Cuna de Lobos (2019). No Karmageddon until -- possibly -- after the curtain went down. We needed to see her get caught. From the same producer...
Ursula Santibanez (Rosa Maria Bianchi) of Yo No Creo en los Hombres (2014). Karmageddon incomplete. She shot her son dead when he stepped up to protect Maria Dolores, but we didn't see her get arrested or carted off to the manicomio.

Excessive:

Daniela Montenegro
(Irina Baeva) of Pasion y Poder (2014). Instead of killing her off the writers should have shown her suffering and succeeding in rehab. Her mother Nina was also too heavily punished also by losing two out of three of her children as well as her husband. Her crimes did not merit this.

Perfect:

Nicolas Obregon
(Enrique Rocha) of El Privilegio de Amar (1998). Stabbed onstage in front of an opening-night audience by Tamara (Cynthia Klitbo) whom he chokes to death at the same time. Seriously creative on the writers' part and appropriate to their crimes.
Ana Joaquina Villarde (Marga Lopez) El Privilegio de Amar (1998). In prison after recovery from burns sustained in a house fire. Goes mad, believing that the fires of hell are coming up around her. Loaded with hubris and among the worst of the toxic mothers.
Federico (Cesar Evora) of Abrazame Muy Fuerte (1999). Shot by police and sucked down into hell. Perfect in view of his evil actions, particularly against women and his own two sons.
(Diana Bracho) of Fuego en la Sangre (2008). Buried alive by Fernando Escandon. Considering how she tried to imprison her own daughters and even kill the oldest one, this is apt.

Finally, with the exception of Daniela Montenegro, Disgrace, and all suicides, everything on the Toxic Sisters page. Carlota (Leticia Calderon) of En Nombre de Amor is a particularly good one.
 

Oops, I screwed up the code for Toxic Sisters.

I also consider suicide to be the cowards' way out, so most of those are Inadequate.
 

Adriana Noel, no one is officially signed up for next week; so it's all yours! Thank you!! Oohh, and thank you for mentioning Barbara in MEPS; that was a good one!

Urban, what a great memory you have. I had completely forgotten about Nicolas and Ana Joaquina in "El Privilegio de Amar". Those were truly perfect!
 

(Diana Bracho) of Fuego en la Sangre (2008). Buried alive by Fernando Escandon. Considering how she tried to imprison her own daughters and even kill the oldest one, this is apt.

Horrible to contemplate. Thanks for reminding us Urban. And Kendra being eaten by wolves, another horrid end (thanks Adriana Noel)
 

Pasion...Danila 's character was blind and left to wander off into The desert to pay for her sins including lusting after her cousin a pirate Captain Rick ( Fernando Colunga).
 

Here's another:

Graciela de Mendoza (Daniela Castro) of Lo Que la Vida Me Robo. Ended up insane and homeless. Greedy toxic mother who ruined many lives, sold herdaughter to the highest bidder (twice), and participated in several murder attempts. Perfect outcome.

Pedro Medina (Sergio Sendel) of Lo Que la Vida Me Robo. Prison for life, to be raped daily by the other inmates. Perverted creep whose loss of his male parts was a major contributing factor to his sadism. Also politically corrupt. Perfect.
 

Urban,

Gee, I watched Robo and I don't remember those anvils.
 

My favorite is the picture perfect anvil from “Por Ella say Eva”. Plutarco, the villain, ends up suffering crippling injuries from a car crash caused by the ghost of his dead wife who he murdered,. In the rubble as he tries to escape the wreck, she literally holds his feet (and legs) to the fire. FYI: I love the supernatural wherever it occurs. Plutarco ends up in prison where he can barely walk and is at the mercy of his former henchman Onésimo who he treated worse than poorly and tried to kill. Onésimo is quick to remind Plutarco that the power dynamic has shifted inside the prison walls. He regularly extorts Plutarco for money for protection and other “services”. Onésimo takes delight in physically abusing Plutarco (like repeatedly kicking him to get him to move when clearly he is unable to) and threatening him with bashing his head in if a payment is late. One of Plutarco’s “benefits” is washing Onésimo’s clothing. It is a satisfying ending for a scumbag like Plutarco.
 

Jarifa, I didn't watch "Por Ella Soy Eva" but that anvil seems horrid. I can think of other villains that are deserving of it.
 

Somewhere in Carey's distant past , the phrase " I hope he gets hit by a piecart" was used. I can not remember wherever or why this phrase became popular . I think it was a relatively that cellphone throwing Sergio Sendel was in.
 

I also like Daniela's fate in Pasion as Susanlynn mentioned. Left to wander in the desert, carrying her beloved doll (I think.) Of course Jose Elias Moreno's evil character suffered a gruesome death.

I also liked the anvil that Isaura (Sylvia Pasquel)suffered in Amarte Es Mi Pecado. After tormenting two younger women, she leaves in a truck with the one who plans her punishment. She is left locked in the closed trailer (very hot outside), while Casilda rolls on down the road with the truck driver.
 

Great topic! Thank you, Rgv Chick.

The two most perfect anvils I can remember are MEPS, where Barbara had her face horribly scarred from a bad burn and sentenced to life in prison, and FELS, where Gabriela was buried alive. These were satisfying anvils because Gabi's was a slow-ish death, and Barb's was a living nightmare.

There have been a few telenovelas I have watched where the baddies seem to get no anvil at all, which is infuriating. Watching a telenovela fills the need for us to see a bad person get their just desserts because real life often does not. I just cannot recall which ones had the bad guy not suffer so much in the end.
 

Barbara in MEPS has been mentioned a couple of times. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't she set herself on fire to get her daughter's attention and pity...to no avail??
 

Funny but I don't remember Barbara's end in MEPS at all. The one I do remember, because it was so horrifying to me, was in Pasión. Several have mentioned how the blind woman was left to wander in the desert. But worse than that, she was observed by a band of wretched men that you knew were going to rape and torture her. Although she had done wicked things, the sight of that helpless, fragile woman crawling to an unsuspected horrible end just chilled me to the bone. She had already experienced sexual abuse from her wretched husband. I know she was bad, but still...Her end promised to be long, painful and unthinkable.
 

And in general, I would say, the punishment of woman villains seems to be more sadistic than that of men. Several bad fellas were simply shot to death. One bullet and bam! gone. No prolonged suffering. Whereas for the women...well...
 

I had forgotten many of these gory endings and am appreciative for our eagle eye denizens who possess far better memories than I.

First, let me say I am grateful I did not see many of these. Oh my heavens.

My "top" choice is indelibly seared into my brain and I see it was also the same for my former recapping partner Rgv Chick.

It is Danilo, the amazing Alberto Estrella in La Malquerida. This was the first TN I helped to recap. But, but, how could this evil monster be the same actor who was the marvelous, handsome swashbuckler Mario in Pasion? I found it almost impossible to reconcile the two.

But evil incarnate he was. The story of a woman's husband lusting after her daughter who he helped raise (after he killed her husband) was sad and sordid enough. But the at first seemingly good galan who was later exposed to be an amoral, murdering sociopath had nothing on Danilo. His sins will not be repeated here.

I have to be honest and say I've always felt villains deserve lifelong incarceration. The lack of any freedom is more enduring and crushing than momentary pain and suffering. I feel judgement comes in the next life. I don't enjoy gory endings for anyone. Seeing him lit like a torch was so disturbing, I will never forget it.

That said, I also agree that Emanuel,(Arturo Barba) being locked in a dog cage for the rest of his sorry life in La Bella y las Bestias was a fitting end.

I agree with you Judy that women's punishments seem to be crueler than many of the men. Barbara in MEPS was heartless but the burning was savage. I am just realizing that I have an especially difficult time with fire...

And Daniela's in Pasion was horrid. While there are things that cannot be forgiven, her ending was something no one should be forced to endure.

Thank you to everyone.

Diana
 

Diana, I agree completely. It is hard for me to watch anyone suffer.

The author Diana Gabaldon recently commented that she had " crippling empathy" which , I guess, is empathy so strong that you actually experience someone else's pain and suffering, physical or mental.
 

Another one: In El Precio de tu Amor there was a villain, Guillermo (Alejandro Avila), whose crimes included several rapes. That included the heroine. In the finale he got into a fight with Antonio, the hero (Eduardo Santamarina) on a factory floor. Antonio punched him and he fell back into a piece of machinery. Two scenes later he entered the prison cell block where the heroine's father was incarcerated for a white collar crime. He had become the top dog in the cellblock. When he came in on a pair of crutches because he had lost half of a leg the father looked at him and told the others "That's the SOB who raped my daughter." You know what they did then.
 

Yikes...well, clearly the males don't ALWAYS get off easier than the female villains.
 





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