Caray, Caray!

I think Enrique Rocha is very handsome, even today. Don Daniel (Rogelio Guerra) was hot stuff in his early days.

Salvador Pineda, hard to believe that you could have ever called him good looking.

Guillermo Capetillo, while not that old was muy guapo when he was young.
 

Thank you for the history lesson.

From Juan to Don Noel? I've heard/read that many people despised the latest Corazon Salvaje in part because they felt it didn't measure up to the 93 version. I wonder if there are oldtimers out there who said the same thing about 93 not meeting 66's standard?

La Mentira 65? Just how many of these stories are on their third or more remake?

Was Lizalde's participation in CS unusual? He had a very substantial role. In the US, most appearances in remakes or reboots by stars from the originals seem to be brief cameos.
Chris in FL
 

There probably are some older people who felt that way, Chris. I wish we could see the 1966 version; it's only 30 hours long.

I'm not sure that Lizalde's appearance in the 1993 version was unusual; I suspect the remake recasts are contingent on the older actor's availability and/or willingness to do a supporting role in the new version. The biggest recast must have been Enrique Rocha and Eduardo Yanez playing their original characters in the 2009 CS because these two characters were transplanted from 1991's Yo Compro Esa Mujer (Alejandro Aldama and Juan del Diablo were so similar this wasn't a stretch).

Televisa isn't the only network that does remakes and they also aren't the only network that recasts original actors in them. Telemundo's production partner for Pasion de Gavilanes did the original, Las Aguas Mansas. The actor who played Oscar in the original played Armando in PdG.
 

Fascinating start to your list, amiga. Here's two more se~or caballeros to add: Ignacio Lopes Tarso and the last Julio Aleman.
 

Thank you for this fine collection of gentlemen, UA! :)

My favourite senior actor was Julio Alemán (RIP). By the way, he played Juan in the 1967 version of Corazón salvaje (his Juan del Diablo was a very likeable, Rhett Butler-like charming rascal), and he played the judge in the 2009 version.

I love Enrique Rocha's voice. His acting is... uhm... well... Anyway, he's very charismatic, and I adore his theatrical gestures.
 

Salvador Pineda used to be HOT. I saw photos and scenes from El camino secreto (the orinal version of La verdad oculta with Daniela Romo), and he looked very attractive. He had an interesting role in Esmeralda, his character reminded me of Erik from The Phantom of the Opera. And I liked him in Guadalupe (1993, with Bambi Noriega and Ed Yanez), too.
I think he has a temper, but dame Helena Rojo called him una hermosa persona, and I trust her judgement. :)

Sr. Cordero was so cute in FELS. Rest in peace.

Erik del Castillo and Ignacio López Tarso are great, too. Oh, and José Carlos Ruiz!

Soon our handsome middle-aged galáns will also turn into handsome senior actors. César Évora already plays father and villains. I hope Jorge Salinas, Fernando Colunga, Eduardo Yanez, Eduardo Santamarina, Juan Soler and the others will be blessed with many great primer actor roles, too.
 

Bienvenidos, Jody!

There are at least another five actors I have in mind for the next list like this. The problem with doing more at a time is that there aren't as many photos prior to the late 80s online unless the earlier series were previous versions of the major hits from the 90s on, like Corazon Salvaje so the searches take a while. I couldn't find any photos of Luis Couturier prior to Destinos, for example, and he is the same age as Enrique Lizalde.

I did tape the 1993 CS back in the day but I don't currently have a working VCR. One of those tapes contains the 1968 film with Julio Aleman, which I don't think has been shown since then. That story does, however, deserve its own photo gallery because it is so iconic.

Re Joaquin Cordero, I first saw him in Abrazame Muy Fuerte where he only appears in the prologue. He was quite formidable and I now realize that his resemblance to Rex Harrison was a contributing factor! Another addition for a future look-alikes gallery.
 

What fun this was UA! Thank you for your creative and always interesting posts. Loved your comments.

Totally agree with Aribeth - Julio Alemán was my favorite (scary in La Verdad Occulta and others)...I adore Enrique Rocha - the first time I saw him was in Pasion and I am thoroughly enjoying hating his character in Amores.

Joaquin Cordero will surely be missed.

Salvador Pineda has not aged well. To be fair, the only thing I saw him in was CS and the character was horrid and slovenly so hopefully he is far more presentable in person.

Diana
 

What a great surprise. Enjoyed the walk down Memory Lane with these handsome fellows in my age bracket.

I first saw Otto Sirgo in El Gancho al Corazon and he played such a sympathetic character, I've loved him ever since, tho' he's often cast as a villain (Sortilegio, for instance).

And Enrique Licalde was in the first telenovela I ever watched (Heridas de Amor) and he was the only character I could understand, since he had a slow, ponderous way of speaking. Much appreciated by this lady who knew little Spanish and was without closed captions at the time7210.

You always think up such wonderful "extras" UA. Thanks.
 

Sorry about that extra 7210....typed in the wrong box to prove I'm not a robot!
 

Bienvenidos, Diana!

Did you ever see Disenador Ambos Sexos where Julio Aleman is a company CEO? It's a hilarious comedy with lots of sex jokes. Not where you expect to find that actor, but that's part of its charm.

Judy, I first saw Enrique Rocha in Yo Compro Esa Mujer and knew he was a major player. That series also made a star of Eduardo Yanez.

Por un Beso is currently being rerun on UniMas in two-hour blocks. It's past the prologue to the main part of the story and it's a huge treat to get Rocha and Sirgo together. The revenge plot between them is more interesting than the love story of their children. Sirgo's character is a modern Count of Monte Cristo trying to recover his missing daughter who -- por supuesto -- is in love with his enemy's son. Luz Maria Jerez plays Rocha's wife and Lourdes Munguia plays Sirgo's future love interest.
 

I just know that MY telenovio, Fernando Colunga, is going to age beautifully.
 

Urban- You've found some great pics of these great actors. I would love to see pics of Julio Aleman. He was one of my favorites, both when he played good guys and when he played bad guys, like in La Verdad Oculta. I think I did find online the original Corazon Salvaje movie video with him as the lead a few years ago. I'll have to do a search again.

It's wonderful that so many older tn actors have such long careers that go beyond their galan/galana phase.
 

I couldn't remember Enrique Rocha in Pasion, cked the cast list & the older actors were, Juan Ferrara, Luis Couturier, Eric del Castillo
 

In case anyone's interested:

Corazón salvaje 1968 was uploaded to youtube: link

Here's the first part: link

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UA:

I rewatched a few episodes of Yo compro this week (fortunately a friend of mine recorded the dubbed version - btw, this was the second telenovela I ever saw twenty years ago, I guess all my country was watching it by that time), and I was totally enchanted by Enrique Rocha's handsomeness. No wonder Lety Calderón fell in love with him.

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Variopinta:

"I just know that MY telenovio, Fernando Colunga, is going to age beautifully."

I agree, Fernando has a nice bone structure. However, I really think he should gain some weight. Catherine Deneuve said that "after 40, a woman has to choose between her ass and her face". That applies to men, too.
 

some scenes from Julio Aleman's films

http://novelasyseries.univision.com/videos/chismes/video/2012-04-12/julio-aleman-su-historia-de
 

Aribeth,
I agree, FC was way too thin in STUD.
It was an attempt to make him look younger, in addition to too much botox. I offered my services to fatten him up & the botox will wear off. I think he looks better in PQEAM. We need sth to cuddle.

The damn robot crap is hard enough, you don't have to enter the #'s, thanks to whoever passed on that info, some you can't even read.
 

UA: Thank you so much for this wonderful Senior Caballeros post.

I remember Joaquin Cordero the best on Destilando Amor where he played Don Amador Montalvo. And Julio Aleman was in that one too.

I agree with Vivi about Julio Aleman. He was great as a villan or a good guy. I miss seeing him in TN's.

I really like Enrique Rocha too. What a gentleman, I've only seen him as a bad guy, but the funniest role he ever did was in UFCS. That plot was so funny, about pretending to be dead from the blow fish poison. I never knew he could be so funny. I also like his facial expressions, with one look he can say it all.
 

UA - Enjoyed finding out about past roles of the senior caballeros.

I too loved Julio Aleman as the villain in La Verdad Oculta. I can imagine that complex role was one of his favorites.

In FELS, Joaquin Cordero had such great chemistry with his nietas and the Reyes brothers. Though the role was comic, he had some very emotional moments too, like when he escaped from the nursing home.

Wow, Salvador Pineda has changed his look for different roles. He's quite handsome in that El Juramento shot. Maybe bringing on the crazy psycho look is more fun for him.

I love the way TNs have meaty roles for the cast across ages, not just for the young hotties. My parents don't speak Spanish but sometimes when I visit they'll indulge me and watch along. They've enjoyed seeing older folks have their own storyline, even a love triangle, and remarked that you just don't see that on U.S. TV much.
 

Thanks so much for this gallery of primer actores, UA.

I have always adored Enrique Rocha. I first saw him in El Privilegio de Amar. Part of my interest in him is that a man I was very close to for many years looks like Sr. Rocha.

The voice is great. He does menace better than anyone.
 

I am SO late coming to read this, UA, but a HUGE, HUGE thank you! I am learning so much at this website. I just can't thank you enough!!

Man...I loved the look in Pineda's eyes (the shot where he is looking right at you). You are right, UA. He does look like that mobster Gatti, but it's a look that could devour you with his eyes!! The snapshot where you show Pineda with Andres Garcia. He's another hottie!!

Ever since CME, Juan Soler is "my man". I love that man! Talk about a megawatt smile...and he can really dance, too! Yesseree...I'll take Juan Soler home any day. That man knows how to wear a suit and he had some fantastic suits in CME. I'd love to see him in some dark, pinstripe Armani numbers topped off with a fedora. Oh my oh my!!

Going off on a tangent here, but there's something about a man in a fine suit, overcoat, and fedora that sets the heart aflutter. I'm thinking of Alec Baldwin when he played "The Shadow".

Anyway...I can see "my man Soler" in that same Alec Baldwin outfit.

THANK YOU, UA!!!

Fatima
 

You're welcome, all. I also love that Televisa keeps their actors. We don't live in the world of Logan's Run no matter how many teens and 20-somethings wish we did.

Another actor I see as aging gracefully is Rene Casados. He seems to be keeping his hair and he is so elegant.
 

Reposted from the Amor Bravio discussion:

Weekend Discussion Proposal

Since there are British miniseries fans on this board, I'm proposing that we do a brief re-write of Amor Bravio as though it were a British story. We can set it in Georgian, Victorian, or Edwardian times on an estate with titled characters, names adapted for appropriateness. I rather like the Georgian period, like in Poldark because I can easily see Don Daniel with the title of “Squire.” Young Daniel can be from Wales, Ireland, or Scotland. Or even the new U.S.

If this idea appeals, say so now and we'll do it next weekend, as this series is still airing. I would initiate it next Friday and we all jump in with continuing chapters. As to next weekend -- if enough Caraymates agree by Sunday evening to participate -- I will write the opening and post it on Friday. I will be at the opera on Saturday the 2nd until evening (Wagner, of course) and jump in. In the meantime I will think about whether any of the character relationships need to be changed.
 

UA - last year, i found the site www.fanfiction.net with loads of short stories and novelas people have written based on whatever program or movie they loved. If you need ideas, or if the person who made the suggestion wanted to write their own fanfiction novela, that would be a great place to post it. (this site is mainly for english writers - univision.com's webnovela and fcylu forums are where you'll find spanish fanfiction.)

IMHO, FC doesn't need to gain weight or change his looks. I got off the FC bandwagon because I know he is one year older than I am, and after STUD, I became really annoyed that he continues to play the 20-something parts instead of insisting on switching to the 40-something parts like his colleagues/friends Cesar Evora and Ernesto LaGuardia have done.
 

Cesar Evora has an excellently varied resume because when he's at his best weight he has the looks of a galan.

However, he has the voice of a devil. That was guaranteed from Day One to pigeonhole him as a villain once he hit 50.

I don't think Ernesto LaGuardia has an alpha-male look. Per one of my previous weekend photo galleries, he looks too much like Donny Osmond.

There is also no good reason that the lead protagonists have to be in their 20s. Writers need a little more imagination.
 

I don't think the actors have many choices when it comes to roles. Don't forget that both César and Ernesto played young characters for a very long time. But since they have lost their star power and their looks (not that I don't find them attractive), they are simply not offered young protagonist roles. And when you play side characters in not-primetime-shows, you get less salary than the primetime protagonists.

And I think the biggest problem is that there aren't enough meaty middle-aged leading roles. It's a miracle that now Erika Buenfil and Lalo Yanez are playing age-appropriate protagonists in a primetime show. I'm pretty sure that both of them begged Nicandro Díaz to hire them.
 

I think the reason they usually have at least one lead (the woman) be in their 20s is because in Latin culture it's expected that by the time you're in your 30s and 40s you should already be married with kids. Leads with ex wives/husbands and kids from a previous relationship just make the central love story messy. I think the writers should be willing to dive into all these messy relationships. They would make the story more interesting. But it doesn't fit well with their desire to tie everything up into a neat bow by the end.

Amor Bravio is the first tn I've seen where the heroine isn't either in her teens/20s, a 30-something virgin, or a 20-30 something single mom with a child. She's in her 30s, not a virgin, and not a mom already.

Then male leads can get away with being older (and single and childless) because they can always play the playboy who refused to be caught, until the heroine came into his life. That way, the galans can be in their 30s or even their 40s(!), and still come without strings attached (other than angry old lovers). For this reason, it is ridiculous that FC was playing a 20-somemthing in MEPS (although him being that age is the only way the story arc made sense-- the role should have gone to a younger actor).

 

Aribeth- Thanks for bringing up AV. The solution they're using there is to have TWO lead couples-- 1 younger couple that fits the stereotype (20-something heroine, 30-someting galan); and one older couple in their 40s who come with plenty of baggage-- kids and spouses-- and the audience has no idea how the writers will end up resolving things with them. The uncertainty about the older couple makes it more interesting.
 

Vivi, I like your explaation. It is true that the 30-40 years old people have more baggage which doesn't really seem competible with the classic Televisa fairy tales. And yes, there's a double standard against the "old" female characters.

AV is actually cheating, it's using the oldest trick to please those viewers who are interested in he story of yong lovers, and those ones who want to watch their favourite older actors: two generations story. It worked in El privilegio del amor (it had the highest ratings in th last 16 years).
 

Thank you for this, UA! What a great idea and excelente research you've done.

Salvador Pineda is the same age (give or take a few years) as Big Ed Yañez, Cesar Evora, and Guy Ecker. Yet wow, what a difference. Salvador Pineda is in Que Bonito Amor, where he has a chance to speak ENGLISH! (I will be adding more to my "English in telenovelas" video clip collection.)

I can see how Salvador Pineda was attractive, even now he's got a charm, but I agree that he hasn't aged in the way that many 50-something galánes are doing.

Eric del Castillo seems like a charmer for his age. Guillermo Capetillo you can tell is attractive, yet there's something about his eyebrows that ages him. (I think it's the slight thinning of the eyebrow hairs towards the center of his face that does it.) His younger brother is a cutie! (And very hairy, like Guillermo is.)

Fernando Colunga looks great and he's adorable in Porque el amor manda. (Or however it's spelled.) And Jorge Salinas is in the upcoming Que Bonito Amor and looks pretty good. (Maybe a little more fit and rested than he did in LQNPA.) I hope they still have a few more years of galán in them!

I haven't got much else to add since I haven't seen many of these older telenovelas. But I'm enjoying the conversation!
 

I hope Jorge does something about his hairline; he should have ten more years of romantic lead in him. I love how he can handle the darker sides of his characters.
 

UA - if you think Ernesto looks like Donny Osmond, you're going to laugh/love this. {Spoiler} I peeked at an episode of PQEAM and saw the little fairytale story cartoon - FC's character in the cartoon kinda looks like Donny.

I like AV for the fact that Ed and Erika are playing characters closer to their own age, and there is a younger couple for the young people in the audience to watch as well.
 

UA, in Que Bonito Amor, Jorge's hair is brushed in a more "youthful" way (and it looks good!). I think that when the time comes, he'll do what he has to do. Apparently Sweet William Levy has done whatever he needs to do about his hair, because it seems to look pretty good these days.

Jody, I agree that AV has done well by having the younger pareja of Guzmancito and Nikki, which is what would be expected of a novela, but also having Big Angel and Vicki's storyline as well. My mom is hooked on AV and absolutely LOVES LOVES LOVES Big Ed, words really can't describe her love for Big Ed. She thinks Jorge Salinas is handsome, and she thinks Jaime Camil is brilliant, and so forth, but something special is there with Big Ed Yañez. The guy has star power for all ages. What a pity it would be for him to be stuck in the side-lines.

I think AV has done brilliantly by having both couples in the show. My mom isn't all that enthralled with the Nikki/Guzman storyline (though she thinks Nikki should be spanked). She wouldn't be the AV junkie she is if it weren't for Big Ed!
 

UA. Thanks for your great efforts,as usual.

I am not too familiar with these folks' professional trajectory, but I had to remark on Mr Wonderful from back in the day- Andres Garcia. He is on a few commercials. When Tu o Nadie was showing, I was in Mexico and he was Mr It (IMO with good reason). Interestingly, his costar is still on various show but I can barely recognize her from her earlier years!
 

Lucia Mendez is probably the Mexican pinup girl for Plastic Surgery Gone Wrong. I can't imagine she thinks she looks perfect now.
 

UA....what a gift this is! I'm so incredibly late coming to this but thank you so very, very much. Brilliant idea. I look forward to seeing the lovely damas! My heart remains true to Cesar Evora and Eric del Castillo.
 

UA Unfortunately I would have to agree with you re: questionable results! In ToN she was the "it girl" too. I actually hadn't seen her in years until something very recent and I don't remember what TN it was .... She was also on the Latin music shoe two days ago. ..... Not even the same person. Why do we get to appreciate rugged good looks for our aging caballeros and yet, female colleagues have to defy age at whatever cost - rhetorical question to be sure, but an enduring issue!
 

Show, that is .... ;)
 

Mena, I last saw Lucia Mendez in the opening episodes of Mi Pecado as the murdered wife of Sergio Goyri. Since that she's been in Tiempo Final, Llena de Amor, and Esperanza del corazon.

The two-generation story has been around for quite a while and one of the reasons it's popular with producers is that it needs more episodes than a story about just one couple. I'm sure if fans would let the networks know that we would appreciate more complex love stories (like with widowed and divorced protagonists) they might listen.


 

Aw, Joaquin Cordero died this week? What a shame. He was one of good things in FELS.

Enrique Rocha - although IMDB doesn't mention it, he was also Napoleon in Una Familia con Suerte. Ah, Madelaine remembers him! That was a weird but interesting storyline. I love that voice!

Carlos Bracho is an older guy we've seen a zillion times. I don't know if he was ever hot, but... ooh, wait, I found this:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/243414/message/1331333952/%BFQu%E9+te+recuerda+esta+foto-+Carlos+Bracho

You can judge for yourself if that's "hot." (It's certainly "younger," anyway.) I'll just say he's aged more gracefully than some.
 

OMG; I will add him to the list and when I do this again I will choose the five with the best photo selections.
 

What a great compilation UA. I think you chose great examples.

Joaquín Cordero was in alot of movies and novelas that I watched growing up so he will definitely be missed. His voice was also a very characteristic one.

Enrique Rocha's voice is definitely special. Televisa uses it alot for promos and commercials here.

About the Corazón Salvaje versions: The 1993 version is considered by many as the best, it didn't suffer from comparisons with the 1966 versions because those were suffered by the 1977 version. The 1966 version was loved by so many people that they rejected the idea of a remake. Time, however, has been kind to the 1977 version and people remember it more fondly now because (from what I'm told) it wasn't bad, it was just too soon for a remake when it was made.

The 2009 version is just considered to be bad. People here tend to see it more as a parody of the story than as a real version.

Jarocha
 

1977 was definitely too soon, but I think somebody was leaping at the chance to make it in color. I say about so many films where that happens that this is not an improvement by itself, but... oy vey.

I didn't think 2009 was that bad in terms of the script, but I really had issues with the comic relief and with Aracely Arambula who will never be half the actress of any of her predecessors in those characters. While marrying the two period stories wasn't horrible, I thought that YCEM was the dominant story and deserved its own remake if the network had nothing better to do. Their first one with EY, LC, and ER was excellent. I wish they'd rerun that one again here.