Friday, May 01, 2015
La Sombra del Pasado #54 5-1-15 MAY DAY! MAY DAY! THE TRUTH IS OUT!! (or part of it!)
Well, it’s time for Joaquin to head to the hospital for his overnight mission of mercy with Padre J. I’ll spare us all: Flavia doesn’t see it this way; this is just an excuse to get near that “old slut” Adelina! They have a yelling match! He has had it up to HERE with her pissing and moaning and suspicions EVERY DAY! If she trusts him so little she can just leave because she’s turned his life into a hell but when she goes, she’s leaving little Ray with him! No way is she going to leave her child to be raised by that witch! Joaquin has finally had enough and storms out!
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The wheels are starting to come off Sev's little red wagon.
Rosemary Primera
I was pretty happy to see the almost non-reactive from Cris.
This line really got to me--Lola's
eyes finally glint with fear that
feeds this devil's soul. Perfect but also scary. Devils soul---so right.
the gringo
Gracias Lila, I am enjoying what's up so far :) I'll be back in the morning for more hash!
Now that she's revealed the affair between Severiano & the late Roberta, it's going to be Pandora's Box!
Rosemary Primera, yes! Thank you! The wheels ARE starting to come off Sev's little (devil) red wagon! The beast!
Thank you early birds, Sara, Gringo, and Diva! Need some breakfast. See y'all later!
Thanks Lila for another great recap. I have wondered if Sev was Aldonza's father, but if so I am sure Cande would have spit that out as well. I am afraid so many people are going to get hurt with all the manipulation of emotions. Pru, be careful, Eman look out this can't end well for you. Lola, you have a target on your back now. Cande watch out as well. Sev is on a roll.
Bitchcraft. LOL! Inspired and so perfect!
So many things going on this episode. My goodness. It almost felt like two episodes in one, although I know it wasn't.
Loved Cris standing up to both Cande and Sever. Sever is right that it was stupid of Cande to believe that telling Cris that he and Roberta were lovers would make him stay away from Aldonza. It's just opened the Pandora's Box, just like he said, because now Cris and especially Aldonza will start poking and prodding and trying to get more answers.
But Sever is also stupid and doesn't understand Cris if he thinks that 1) calling Aldonza a slut, and 2) threatening to not pass on the business to him, is going to make Cris change his mind about Aldonza.
As for her finding out that it was Mari who recommended that Pato speak to her abuelos, she shouldn't be upset. She should go thank Mary. Sure, Mari just wants Lola completely out of E-man's life, but that's no different than what Lola herself claims she wants.
I am really starting to worry about E-man. He was looking more and more like Roberta this episode. Easily angered and ready to fight. Drinking alone in the cantina and mulling over his heartache. Not good.
I felt even less bad for him since he had just swindled a LOT of money out of Humberto. When he left with the car keys, his father told him he wasn't charging Pru anything since there wasn't anything wrong with the car. By the time he arrived at the doc's house, he had produced some bogus bill-- all going to his pockets.
I did enjoy all the double entendres, including when Tomas says he'll take Pru outside and give "it" to her, which made Pru do a double take. Can't wait for her to get busted.
I enjoyed seeing Al and Cris talking things out together and trying to hash out how they will figure out the rest of the truth about their parents. It was nice to see that.
I hated, however, seeing poor Adelina taking the brunt of the blame for Roberta's sins. Aldonza needs to understand that it isn't really Adelina's place to tell her Roberta's secrets. And there is SO much more that poor Adelina knows, which I'm sure she'll also get in trouble for not revealing sooner.
I enjoyed Adelina and Joaquin's googly eyes, but this can't end well with Flavia very much a part of Joaquin's life, and practicing her Bitchcraft every moment. That happy little Ray, however, is a treat to see, every time. He was really enjoying that rice and beans. :)
Agree with all your warnings, Emeraldrose except for Pru! Hum is not a Saint of my devotion (ISBIS) but she is disrespecting Hum in a way that is just outrageous. She's done everything except screw him in their marital bed, BUT she did let him into their bedroom and he lay on their bed with his shoes on. Did you see that condescending pat on the arm Tomas gave Hum when he came in Hum's house. I want Pru to be publicly shamed for her infidelity and to get the equivalent, no WORSE, than the stoning she gave Aldonza! UUUUuuffff!
Hey, Vivi! Thank you, girl! You know, it's funny how NONE of Cande's plans have worked out! NONE of them! She is absolutely clueless on how to stop Cris because she actually said with her own mouth that her hatred for Roberta was so GREAT that it also engulfed Aldonza. Well, Cris is operating on a GREAT LOVE so mommy dearest will NEVER understand nor be able to thwart them. So there!
And yes! They absolute are going to start investigating to get to the whole truth! Sev, Cande, Adelina have ALL done nothing but piqued these kids interest in finding out what is casting la sombra del pasado!
Agree, Sever doesn't understand love either! Love Cris telling him where he could stick his hacienda and ranch!
ITA with you about Lola. I was shocked as what Mari told Pato was absolutely true and it paid off. It's also going to get Lola the space she needs to try to grow up. We know Mari's intentions were rotten but that's not Lola's problem.
Yes, poor Eman is starting to look soulfully tragic. That's why I could just beat Lola's ass!
WOW! Thanks, again, Vivi, for another vital plot point! I've got to add that! I know you're not looking for credit but this is huge!
Thanks, amiga!!
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"...sparkly goo goo eyes..."
"I wish he could just ignore the shithead."
Are great lines and I'm not even done reading!
Lila, agree, Pru's behavior is outrageous. I somehow feel sorry for women who are so desperate that they willing risk everything that they have. I had a professor years ago that referred to the "Cream of the crop, the bottom of the barrel" Not the Pru is the cream of the crop. but appears to have it all. Successful (albeit slimmy husband) money, status in the community. "lovely" daughter, nice home et al. Willing to risk it all for a little extra marital snogging. Seems that a few bottoms have made connections, in more ways than one.
I could just quote the whole second paragraph of your comment at 10:58! It's NOT fair for Adelina to be shamed and scolded for Roberta's sins! She gave her whole life up to protect Aldonza from Roberta's stupid, lust-filled "decisions!" I didn't like that either!
Yah, little Ray is being little Ray. Joaquin later had to just say little Ray was upset, that little darlin' cannot act, bless his heart, he was just being his sweet self!
Another good point: Now, he's back to the confident happy guy we first met. But I suppose Cande would prefer he be depressed and unhappy, than happy with Al.
Please, PLEASE let us enjoy Cris and Donnie together. Throw everything at them, let it roll off their backs and bind them together just as this "big, nasty affair" reveal did! They are going to need this for when the REAL big, nasty, secret comes out!
I am glad that my prediction about the possible incest was not correct. I love that Cris and Aldonza are, for the most part, being level headed about this.
Aldonza was unfair to Adelina thought.
Most importantly-the casa de caramelos has made another disappearing appearance. Glad my favorite character has not been forgotten.
Sara, I thought about capitalizing The Candy House. Cute storyline! So glad Tomas didn't profit from it, the slug!
Now.....if we could just have the cute little canaries check in!
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Well, I would Love to hang out on the patio and chat, but there is laundry and cleaning to do before hub and I meet friends for dinner. Hope that everyone has a good, restorative weekend. It looks like we will finally hit 80 this weekend...yay. love, Susanlynn, looking for her spring clothing
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Cande is such an insane harpy, Don't know how Chris sits so politely and listens to all that venom...but he gets points for courtesy to his parents, even while standing up to them.
Errands call, but I look forward to checking in with the patio later.
J in Oregon
The impossibly cute little boy playing Raimundito doesn’t know how to display any emotion other than the unbridled joy of being a five year old so he beams through his dimples. ITA, he's so freaking cute! It's really nice to see a little kid in a TN just being a little kid.
Lola’s eyes finally glint with the fear that feeds this devil’s soul.
Padre, you need to tell Joaquin to stop with the sparkly goo goo eyes on Adelina. Um, yes. Flavia beinga shrew, but she has good reason to be. Well, she hasn't seen the good reasons, but there are good reasons and her instincts are on point. PJ needs to actually ask Joaquin what his feelings are, Joaquin needs to own up to them and Flavia needs to take a chill pill and then calmly talk to him about this without becoming a raging harpy.
He’s just strutting all over Las Animas with his brand new, refurbished spine! Cris - MWAH! We've missed you! I loved that he kept a cool head at his mom's revelation and reacted so reasonably. Love that he told his mom that he gets it, but it's been 20 years and he and Aldie have nothing to do with this. Love wouldn't let Sev even try pull the whining "she seduced me!" card. LOVE that he told Aldie right away and LOVE that they're trying to figure it out together.
Don't love that Aldie scolded Adelina like she's the mom (figure) and Adelina's a bad child. I know it won't happen because we're only like a third of the way through the TN, but I wish on Monday Adelina would tell Aldonza all that she knows: about Ray's death, about Rob's baby. But I suppose that's about as reasonable as expecting Aldie to tell Cris why SHE hates his father.
I feel bad for Adelina. It's like she gets her share of blame for not telling PLUS Roberta's since Roberta isn't around. And it feels like the kids are being harder on her than on Cande or Sev, but I guess they expected more from her.
I am always looking for the most improbable situations here. And the story line always refers to Roberta's baby being a girl.
I WILL GET GOING NOW. After another coffee.
Can I just say "Called It' about what Sev would do to Lola?
I love stories that have the 'upper class' characters accuse the 'lower class' characters of loose morals while the opposite is going on. I'm referring to the Val/Pru conversation. This was a constant theme in Que Pobres Tan Rico.
Poor Joaquin. Who wants to be constantly accused of something you didn't do? Padre's advise was pathetic. He's been showing Flavia that he's faithful and trustworthy and it's gotten him nowhere. I wouldn't want to stay in that relationship either.
Why do these mothers think they can just go into their child's room and take what isn't theirs and decide to get rid of it? First Pru and now Tomas's mother.
As for Pru, since she has never treated Em like her child in any way, never does anything for him, treats him badly, and took it because she felt she deserved it for putting up with him, and then lied about it--she has no excuse.
Plus Tomas' mom doing that gave me a moment of delight in which I imagined that the Candy House was traveling around on its own.
This whole I hate Aldonza because her mother had an affair with my husband thing is utterly ridiculous. She stayed married to the man who cheated on her, but she will despise an innocent person over it.
Thanks J in O! Cris IS a good boy. While I was complaining about him being dazed and amazed, he was silently taking notes and today he passed the first test with flying colors!
Thank you Hellashelle! Yah, I have to admit Flavia's instincts are not wrong but her Momma should've instructed her in the art of using honey instead of vinegar all the time!
Yah, join me and Vivi at the Aldie needs to be more respectful to Adelina table! Totally NOT COOL Aldie! Hellashelle, I think Adelina has been given the cue to tell it all. It will fortify Aldonza for however the BIG TRUTH is finally revealed. She's got to be the one that does because Sev will surely spin it as Aldonza seduced him. If today was any indication, Cris will never believe it and if he did, it would be unforgivable!
Getting ahead of myself!
Bitchcraft
Brazen strumpet!
When does Renato ride in on his Mustang and stake his claim to Aldonza?
So funny Val still thinks she'll marry Cris.
I feel bad for Flavia, her husband is disrespecting her, refusing payment, as they are about to lose property they bought as a family. His first priority should be his family & child unless the boy can eat dirt. I'm supposed to hate her because she bitches non stop but she is telling the uncomfortable truth. Joaquin does have the hots for Adelina, still.
Lola - don't look a gift horse in the mouth
Emmanuel - "Tired of Waiting for You" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F_j9jm3WNQ
The Candy House - there was stuff growing in that closet
Adelina - wonder what he looks like naked
Aldonza - liar, guess now you'll tell me Santa Clause is just a fat man in red velour
Val - uh, does oral count
Severiano - save time, just tell those NOT on your shit list
Pru - he's got a life insurance policy
The whole Joaquin/Flavia thing is just a mess. She's being horrid and unpleasant for no good reason, and I suspect that the foreclosure is happening because she didn't tell him about the previous howevermany notices that showed up. Yeah, he's still got his crush, but having a crush and acting on it are two different things. If the situation were reversed, I'd be applauding Flavia for not letting her husband try to control her every move.
At the same time, I think there's a part of him that likes that she's acting this way because it gives him an out. Maybe one that he's wanted for a long time and has nothing at all to do with Adelina, but her being back in town gives him an extra push. He and Dominga have both said that this is just Flavia being Flavia, and maybe he was more content to put up with her constant jealous fits when there wasn't anyone around that he would rather be with.
Still haven't made it out to do yard work. Trip to the market and the nursery for a trunk full of plants. Now have to get out and stick them in the ground.
Lila - I'm of a mind that when the BIG TRUTH comes out, it'll only be confirmed because of Sev himself. Cris will walk in on him trying it again or walk in on him threatening Aldonza with it again or both. But I will gladly join you and Vivi at the table where Aldonza acts like her aunt is her aunt and not a personal assistant.
Rosemary - those Bitchcraft pillows need to be on the Naughty Melon's inventory (/Etsy).
Cathyx, I will temper my indignation at Pru by remembering her little fling is adding more zing to her eventual downfall and will make her hypocrisy all the more glaring! I want the WHOLE of Santa Lucia to know about it!
Cathyx: This whole I hate Aldonza because her mother had an affair with my husband thing is utterly ridiculous. She stayed married to the man who cheated on her, but she will despise an innocent person over it. EXACTLY! AND will lust after and violate the despised and innocent person's Uncle on top of that!
Tofie! Thanks, Girl! After last nights goo goo eyes I think you are right about Flavia. I agree she shouldn't be hated but it doesn't help that she doesn't have any other speed besides Bitch Overdrive! I think once I saw her speak to him civily, lovingly. Oooo, Val's line. . .naughty!
Emeraldrose, You're a good one if you buy and plant the plants the same day. Me and hubby did about a quarter of the yard clean up and mowed the lawn and now I'm having a near death experience. . . .well, not really, just tired and ready to relax on the PAT - TEE - OOO!
Hellashelle I hope it works out like that! Since Al had to suffer that vile attack, I don't want the writers victimizing her again by allowing Sev to use it to spin and smear her with it!
Dang. I need to find something to eat!
Hey...maybe that hand will come thru the bushes and leave it on the patio for us!
J in Oregon
Aldonza has 3 lawyers on her case to get Sev off the land so she can farm it. Sev is going to pay off a judge to get him to side with Sev. Let's hope said judge is Silvia's uncle.
Aldonza owes a lot of money to fix her apartment and now to pay Padre's hospital bills. Will Renato float her a loan to keep her going?
It will take a while to get her farm up and growing and then longer to make money. At least a year in TN time, unless it's some huge money making crop. Only drugs meet that description and I'm sure it won't be that. Since Joaquin is in foreclose and he needs money, and he's sick and tired of Flavia's accusations, will he reconsider Aldonza's offer to be her business partner?
Will Cris and Aldonza marry very soon? Since Cris has quit the horse business, will he join Aldonza in her business?
I do think Joaquin will decide to join Mis Planes Inc. to get some money to pay for the land he's having problems with and/or the bill for the lawyers and/or his divorce....
Maybe Flavia will meet an untimely death and put an end to Joaquin's misery.
When Flavia throws one of her tantrums, I remember the end of Rumplestiltskin (or at least the version I grew up with) and expect her to start stomping a hole in the floor that sucks her in.
Rosemary Primeria, I believe you are perfectly right about the Candy House back with PJ. I cant wait to see his reaction when he sees it. I had strong feeling when I saw Lulu put it up and saying Padre is going to be so happy when he sees all the beautiful things that were donatedThank you Lila, for your time devoted on this awesome recap just for us! Just when I think it couldnt get better, it does. "Bitchcraft", ""Chris's new and improved spine" and "Lola's instilled fear that feeds the devil's soul." Wow!*!*!!
We shall see, well I droppped Iphone and it so hard to type, read over my scotch tapped broken glass.
Wasn't part of Roberta's issue that she had taken out a huge mortgage on the land/house, had failed to pay it down, and didn't reveal the problem until the bank was ready to take the whole damn thing? That's not really the situation Aldonza's in, yet. It sounds liike if Aldonza fixes and sells the apartment, she'll have enough to pay off her neighbors. And there is enough currently in the account to pay the hospital bill and to start up her ag project. The problem is that's the last of her liquidity. That's what she was going to use the sale of the apartment for. So now she needs to find that money somewhere else. It could come in the form of an investment/investor, and she could find some candidates for that. I assume even Cris has his own bank account somewhere.
As for Joaquin, by all accounts his business has been doing fine. He said this particular piece of land has been problematic and that sounds more like legal/title trouble than it sounds like he and Flavia haven't been paying their mortgage or something.
Thank you Lila, for your time devoted on this awesome recap just for us! Just when I think it couldnt get better, it does. "Bitchcraft", ""Chris's new and improved spine" and "Lola's instilled fear that feeds the devil's soul." Wow,"
It will be fun to see if Padre J has any sort of reaction to the candy house.
Hey, Doris! I tell ya, I have a physical slide out keyboard on my phone. . .I don't have patience for on-screen keyboards AND my fingers are too fat! Hee Hee! Thank you Doris and I hope you can hang out with us the rest of the weekend!
Okay so here are a few of my thoughts: Joaquin has been clear with Flavia, he was upfront about the fact that he loved Adelina and made it clear that he was devoted to their little family. Adelina was also clear when she said that she was not going after a married man and neither of them have done anything to justify Flavias behavior.
Bottom line, Flavia's crime is she is what's keeping Adelina & Joaquin apart, well not apart, just from hooking up and thought it a low blow for Joaquin to threaten to take the kid with him should she not shut her mouth. On what grounds? I haven't heard him complain to anyone she is mistreating her son.
Let's assume Cris and Aldonza do marry. Will he move in with her and does he really have some money stashed or not a pot to piss in if momma and daddy cut him off. Aldonza has done exactly what Adelina warned would happen and burned through the cash in what, a few months. I've given her way too much credit, mistaking not knowing her mis planes for actually having any. Right now, the only person with enough money to bail everybody out is Renato, assuming there were enough zero's on that statement. Aldonza is already indebted to the guy up to her eyeballs and unless he wants to burn through his inheritance too, with nothing to show for it, he needs to start making the decisions not her. But, why would Renato do that for Aldonza if she marries Cris and knows for real he has no romantic future with her? I find it odd, for a girl that was glued to the guy, told him everything, contemplated romance and put her future in his hands, she hasn't talked to him about this little deviation in mis planes. Come on Aldonza, how you gonna pay, it's ass or cash.
Thank you, Dear Eli!! And making you happy makes ME happy! :D
Tofie, I like your defense of Flavia, I know they're using her harshness to justify Joaquin going for Adelina in a more active way. I can't see Adelina falling though. I am disappointed in her grinnin' goo goo eye display. You can't have it both ways, push Joaquin away and then beckon him with your eyes and smile. Adelina asked Joaquin NOT to join Al in her business venture but will he change his mind now that he's super pissed with Flavia? And perhaps the "Ahm takin' mmah boy!" was something uttered in anger! Adelina is probably a REAL 40ish year old virgin. She has devoted her life to Roberta and Aldonza, I wish they'd bring somebody in to the story to be a real love interest for her, not somebody else's husband whom she never wanted when he was available!
Tofie, your analysis of Aldonza/Cris marriage and the impact on Renato's being a key part of her mis planes is ON POINT!
I find it odd, for a girl that was glued to the guy, told him everything, contemplated romance and put her future in his hands, she hasn't talked to him about this little deviation in mis planes. Come on Aldonza, how you gonna pay, it's ass or cash.
Dang, Girl! You have GOT to guest recap for us one day! It would sho' nuff be the BOMB DIGGETY!! Anyway, yah, if she and Cris are able to go ahead and marry this is a good heads up for Renato to keep his purse strings tight and not financially bail Al out and we all know he'd do it in a minute. I don't think he would drop her case if she marries Cris and although Cris claims that he won't get involved in the suit against Sev, I can't see him remaining uninvolved when RENATO is the Lawyer! Unless. . . .Renato let Sylvia take the lead in the case which I could see her happily doing to keep distance between Renato and Aldonza.
Ah sheesh! It's kind of a mess and I'm sure we'll get dragged through every possible permutation of these romantic entanglements right to the end!
We don't know what life was like between them before Adelina came back, and that's a big factor. If they were happily married and had very little strife in their marriage, then I would agree that Flavia's jealousy has some foundation. But if she would fly off the handle every time Joaquin smiled at another woman, then Flavia has a big problem.
But if I put myself in Flavia's position and my husband was in Joaquin's position, WWID? (what would I do)
If it's the first case and they were happy together before Adelina came into town, there is nothing Joaquin can do to make Adelina leave, they are neighbors, and he's not working there, then Flavia has to get over it or end the marriage. What can Joaquin do that will make Flavia happy? He's done everything she's asked of him. If my husband had a thing for a neighbor but he never acted on it, but he runs into her now and again because we are neighbors, I might suggest we move away. But if that couldn't happen, then I have to get over my jealousy. It's not healthy to be angry all the time like Flavia is and it solves nothing. Joaquin is in a no win situation.
If Flavia has always been jealous of women that Joaquin has encountered, then Joaquin needs to leave the relationship.
So what can Joaquin do at this point to make Flavia happy?
Tofie, again agree. I just feel they are headed for a Joaquin/Adelina hook up and I don't want that to happen: this will be confirming the town gossips even though we know he was "driven" into her arms AND I think the character deserves "a love of her own." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qtkv0SCeXtY
Little Ray's age makes me think that Flavia and Joaquin got together fairly soon after Adelina left. Flavia has probably always had a deep feeling that she was just the rebound and her hold on Joaco was tenuous at best.
This has probably already been said I guess. Sorry to be repetitive.
That aside, Flavia seems like the type who would be jealous and suspicious of almost ANY woman unless she's mature and safely matronly, like Dominga.
I do agree with ya'll that if Flavia is jealous of any interaction real or imagined between Joaquin and another female he should have run long before now.
I too hope Adelina could meet some other guy. It was weird for me before when he was crushing on her and weirder now. Why can't she stumble on her a Pato?
Wonder if Aldonza will ever know her aunt was also in love with her father and took his murder much harder than her mother did? Suffering in silence.
La Sombra del Pasado! (*dunh dunh dunh*)
Is it Monday yet?
tofie, "But, why would Renato do that for Aldonza if she marries Cris and knows for real he has no romantic future with her?" The only good reason is if Mis Planes are supposed to make them ALL rich, otherwise...as noble as it is to help someone because you think you're in love with them, going broke doing that is just silly.
Lila, "Adelina is probably a REAL 40ish year old virgin. [...]I wish they'd bring somebody in to the story to be a real love interest for her, not somebody else's husband whom she never wanted when he was available!" Word! There's that Jacinto guy over at the other ranch who popped up suddenly. He'd work for me. No history, no previous entanglements that we know of. I could go for that!
cathyx, "So what can Joaquin do at this point to make Flavia happy?" From what we've heard about Flavia from Joaquin and Dominga--move to somewhere where there are no other adult women around and no one who has been related to any Alcocer or Lozada for at least five generations. Because it was sketchy enough to think that he'd become business partners with Aldonza just to get at her aunt...now she's using taking care of Padre J as proof and furious that the lawyer he found is also friends with them. He's going to have to get very, very far away before she stops thinking that all roads lead to Adelina. And when it's not Adelina, it's going to be the next woman she thinks he spends too much time with...Oh, what's that, the business is doing so well you had to go to the bank three times this week to make deposits? Clearly you're shagging the teller! He can't win.
Tofie--
Wonder if Aldonza will ever know her aunt was also in love with her father and took his murder much harder than her mother did? Suffering in silence.
Oooohhh! Maybe Adelina's one of thooose!! You know those women who don't want a man unless he's someone else's. Maybe she's, like, afraid if a man is available to her she might, you know, want to "give herself" to him and she's afraid of that! My girl is her own private nunnery! The object of her desire having a wife is her automatic brake so she can love and suffer silently. She loved Ray, whom she couldn't have and now that Jock is married, she suddenly has eyes for him. Adelina could have her own drama queen, martyr for love thing going on. I love Adelina, but nobody's perfect!
This may have happened with several other of Roberta's beaus. Adelina didn't get the magnetic pheromone gene so she probably just suffered silently while Rob was beating them off (or not) with sticks!
Somewhat imagined conversation: "I swear I'm not having an affair. That family means a lot to me. You should meet them. It might make you feel more comfortable about this." "I don't want to meet her! I listened to you go on for hours about how much you loved her before we got together. I'm not sure you have ever felt that passionately about me, so this is making me crazy! Yes, maybe I'm jealous for no reason, maybe there's nothing there, but I cannot shake this feeling. I know you think that there's no reason to stop, but the reason is that it's hurting me."
Now, I see his side of it: he's not having an affair, and she should trust him more. But I also don't see him trying to alleviate her worries. He also could ramp down, sit her down and say this is really important to him and it bothers him that she doesn't trust him just as much as it bothers her that he's around Adelina a lot. He could ask what exactly it is about this woman she's never met that bothers her so much and how can he show her that her concerns are unfounded. He could bring home flowers and a roaming candy house. He could get mariachis. He could bring in a mediator to help with the "you should meet her" argument.
That was long, sorry. It just bothers me because whether or not he's given Flavia an obvious reason to distrust him, he does have feelings for Ade and he's pretending that he doesn't. Maybe he's denying it to himself too, but they're there. all that being said, I am surprised by how interested I am in this couple. It's not that often that TNs have a realistic couple's obstacle with characters that aren't black and white (Flavia's a darker shade of grey, but she's not quite Cande).
I am just speculating. Honestly, I'm not convinced Adelina and Joaquin are supposed to end up together. I see Adelina as the perpetual single tía. But if they are supposed to be together, Flavia will have to be out of the picture. If the audience thinks she's an awful shrew, then they can kill her off without upsetting Viewerville.
But after reading hellashelle's assessment, I feel some pity for Flavia.
Would he be entitled to a little ego stroking, cooking special dinners, cutting off all contact, whatever it takes to calm him down and reassure him that he's the only man in her life?
My vote is "no." This isn't just harmless jealousy. This is anger and delusions and an attempt to control another person and I don't care who it's coming from, that's not healthy. And I don't know why the hell he hasn't gotten out sooner if she does this all the time. Maybe it wasn't this bad before or her was thinking of Ray, I don't know.
But we do actually have a flipped example: Ray and Rob. While Rob was somehow more loveable than Flavia, she also put Ray in that situation and it was not ok. We were all like "Poor Ray. Too bad he didn't fall for Ade." He loved her and trusted her and she had a serious affair. And when he got suspicious and loud, she turned on the indignation (and some waterworks? I can't remember) and he pretty much backed all the way down, only to go homicidal when he found out it was true.
Sara-lol, but that's what I love about TNs and the Patio! You guys really make me think and consider human nature and perception. TNs should be in Psych 101 curriculums.
"Hate" may be a strong word. The well-thought out arguments are making it difficult to decide who annoys me the most.
(Until the next cogent argument.)
I don't think that Flavia's behavior is an excuse for Joaquin and Adelina to hook up. And I wouldn't respect them if anything happens while he's still married. And I would actually like it if they stay just friends and nothing ever happens. But I think his marriage is too far gone, regardless. That's no way for either of them to live. If she's really going to think every glance of Joaquin's is a full-blown affair, if she really thinks her husband is a lying cheating skank, then she needs to dump his ass. Not insist on keeping him, but try to control him. She should ask Cande how that's working out for her.
Most of the accusations of cheating on this show have been unfounded, or there have been "feelings" but nothing else. Some of them have even been hilariously wrong like the accusations about Humberto and Aldonza. The actual cheaters are doing a much better job of hiding their actions. Even Sev, now that he's been found out, still has Simoneta living right there in town and I'm sure Cande doesn't suspect *that*. Is Pru a cheater yet? I wouldn't say she's doing a good job of hiding anything, more that the people she's trying to hide it from are ridiculously clueless. Val and Lardo have been found out, but they were good at keeping things under wraps for a long time there...her big mistake was trusting Lardo to keep his mouth shut, and then the public kissing on the street put the nail in the coffin.
Adelina also feels guilty for Ray's death because she thinks she pointed him in the direction of the lovers. I watched that scene twice, and she really didn't. It was late at night, Ray came home, and instead of his wife being home caring for his child, he finds Adelina. He demanded to know where she was and all Adelina said was she was out, and not far away. Sure, she looked guilty as heck, but the words "Roberta is in the barn with her lover" never passed Adelina's lips. Ray found them all on his own (saw Sever's car parked outside the barn) and came to his own conclusions based on recent suspicions.
Santa Lucia is the gossip capital of the world. That has to mess with your head. I'm NOT defending Flavia (as tofie said, she's crossed over to BSC), but being at ground zero for Peyton Place has got to make a person see scandal even when there is none there.
I'd really like her to be a little more calculating and start looking for and gathering actual evidence instead of flying off the handle and flinging accusations around with nothing to back those accusations up. I just don't get the feeling that if she were to find out more of the truth, instead of thinking "DAMN! I really am dealing with the devil incarnate. I need to tread more carefully" she'd just go scream at him.
Just like Ray.
La Sombra del....
PASADO (*dunh dunh dunh*!!!)
But more horse drama would be welcome. They're so gorgeous! And such hams in front of the camera :D
But I don't think that Aldonza should suffer because her mother was a murderer. If Aldonza finds out the truth, I think it will be painful. If she has to find out, I guess it's better it comes from Adelina.
The Affair- revealed last week by Cande, confirmed by Sever and Adelina.
The Murder of Padre Sixto (Sever and Humberto)
The Machete Fight/Lost Arm (Sever)
The Murder of Ray (Sever and Adelina)
The Love Child (Sever, Cande, Hum, Adelina, Padre J)
The Plot to Get Rid of the Love Child (Sever, Cande, Hum)
The Identity of the Love Child (Sever, Cande, Hum)
The Rape (Sever, Aldonza, Adelina)
I forgot that Cris and Val are another mirror for Joaquin and Flavia.
I like the debates and the "flip sides." I enjoy those. I was more making a joke on myself. My opinion is so easily swayed.
Does anyone remember about which episode it was when the casa/caja de caramelos made its first appearance?
I want her to be busted even in the midst of that final surrender, in the most public and humiliating way!
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