Wednesday, December 04, 2019

El Dragón #46, 12/3/19 (Season 2 Episode 8): Another toast to….whatever…




We open with Howard convincing the Panamanian officials he needs a court order from the judge immediately because this is the tip of the iceberg. Then he goes with the police with his court order, but only finds an old man who says he is paid by some lawyer named Aventour to receive mail. He gives Howard an address, so Howard leaves. He goes to the next address and is very frustrated to find nothing. He asks who pays the rent, but the answer is, “it’s paid in cash.” No iceberg, no tip. Nobody knows anything.

At the newly remodeled Garza offices, Jimena arrives for a staff meeting. Trejo announces that the problem in Panama with Aventour is now solved. He says they will now have to be even more careful about security. Then Jimena makes some remark about the cyber security, taking a poke a Flaco. Trejo says they just need to stay alert.

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Tuesday, December 03, 2019

El Dragón #45, 12/2/19 (Season 2 Episode 7): I'll Drink to That




Some details missing but not enough not to post.

Miami: Howard was punked by Miguel, who sent someone over to call him out on his swinger status.

Mexico City: Trejo delivered Miguel's instructions. Flaco talked about movies and other viewing patterns (TV vs. cellphones).

Miami: Howard got on Miguel's case about spying on his private life, possibly with the motive of discrediting him. Miguel is not intimidated.
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Monday, December 02, 2019

Primetime on Univisión (#1): Amor Eterno & Ringo - Week of Dec. 2, 2019

Greetings, Caraymates!

Welcome to page 1 of Primetime TNs/Series. We have a Gran Estreno this week for “RINGO: La Pelea de Su Vida.”  A listing of characters is provided under the "Read more." There are no recappers for this TN, but if you are feeling generous and want to fine-tune those recapping skills, this is a perfect time. AnonFri and Clara are doing an outstanding job of providing some very appreciated recaps/details about “Amor Eterno.”  If some other brave soul(s) would like to contribute some highlights or a mini-recap for AE or RLPDSV, I’m sure it would be appreciated. You can also add to or clarify scenes/details, especially those that are favs or not-so-favs. The TN covered by this page is:
  • 7-8PM   - Amor Eterno: Ep. 100-102
  • 8-9PM  - Ringo: La Pelea de Su Vida: Ep. 1-3 (Gran Estreno!!)
We now have two TNs being covered by this page so PLEASE put the name of the telenovela you're referring to at the top of your post so readers can easily find the conversations they're looking for. (You can shorten the title to one word, i.e., “Amor”)

Discussion pages will be posted on Mondays and Thursdays at 9PM.

֎֎֎ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! ֎֎֎
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TELEMUNDO Y MÁS (#1): El Sultán, El Final del Paraíso, El Señor de los Cielos 7, y más: Week of December 2, 2019

Welcome to Page #1 (Monday edition) of the Telemundo y Más page, issued twice a week: Mondays and Thursdays at 8:00 PM.

Here are the current evening telenovelas (all times are Eastern Standard Time):
  • 8-9PM  -    El Sultán
  • 9-10PM -   El Final del Paraíso
  • 10-11PM - El Señor de los Cielos 7
El Sultán begins Monday, December 2.   "A story full of love, betrayal and intrigue that tells the rise to power of "Suleiman the Magnificent", one of the most important figures in the history of the Ottoman Empire.  During his conquest of the world, 'Suleiman' will find himself in the midst of a power struggle between the two most influential people in his life, who will unleash a bloody game full of intrigue, conspiracy and death."

Everyone is welcome to join in the conversation.  Since discussions of all the Telemundo novelas share the same page, please remember to put the name of the telenovela you're referring to at the top of your post, so readers can easily find the conversations they're looking for.

By common agreement, this group DOES NOT discuss previews, trailers, or any other plot information not found in a current or past episode of the current production. Spoilers WILL be removed by the admin. This includes reference to earlier productions of the story, and even the original novel. Thanks for your cooperation!

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DAYTIME TNs (#1): Y Mañana Será Otro Día, Hijas de la Luna… y Mas - Week of Dec. 2, 2019

Good Day, Caraymates!

Welcome to pg. 1 of our afternoon delights! Join us at our patio; everyone is welcome to provide highlights, summaries, Andycaps, or details of scenes/episodes…we enjoy discussing the different perspectives and thoughts. Questions about specific scenes or dialogues are also very welcome; someone is sure to respond and explain to ensure that you can enjoy the TN(s).

·         2 PM   - Y Mañana Sera Otro Día…Mejor:  Ep. 62-64
·         3 PM   - Hijas de la Luna…Y La Familia Cambio:  Ep. 34-36

Any daytime novela can be discussed and everyone is welcome to join in the conversation. Friendly reminder to PLEASE put the name of the telenovela you're referring to at the top of your post so readers can easily find the conversations they're looking for. (You can shorten the title to one word, i.e., “Mañana”)


֎֎֎ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! ֎֎֎
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Sunday, December 01, 2019

El Dragon #44, 11/29/19 (Season 2 Episode 6): Saving Lives, Exposing Secrets


Sorry this episode is posted a little late. I started yesterday and about half way through, was burned out. So I had to finish this morning. But I am on the west coast so various hours behind most. Next week I will be on the road again reporting from the Eastern Time Zone, I hope I can get through it.

This episode seems to pick up into what I wrote last night. Edna is searching Garza transport, looking for illegal substances in the trucks. And my assumption is that the anonymous call that was received was from good ol Valentin. They search the truck and find nothing. All the while the trucks that did contain the illicit merchandise escaped just in time. Zaragoza handled the merchandise upon its delivery to the empty warehouse.

Peligros and the guys are talking about whether or not they would get caught. Peligros is sure they are fine. He complains to Edna that the guys need to get back to work or their loads are going to be delivered late. Edna resigns herself to the fact that they got away with it this time.
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Saturday, November 30, 2019

El Dragon #43, 11/29/19 (Season 2 Episode 5): Hector's Great Plan!

El Dragon - Season 2 Episode 5 - November 29, 2019

Good evening,

We left off Wednesday with Edna and Hector in cahoots to get to the bottom of the murder of Hectors sister, but Edna turned the tables and ended up putting Hector on the spot about Miguel. Will Hector betray his friend to the authorities to see Epigmenio behind bars. Tonight we will see.

Hector defends Miguel, he tells Edna that he provided her with evidence that Carlos Duarte is guilty. She badgers him, but he tells her that Miguel has been his friend his whole life and that he has done nothing but help him investigate his sisters murder. She tells him that there is no way he has his hands clean, or why would they put a bomb in his place. Hector says he has no idea and keeps Miguel out of it completely. Edna tells him that he asks for a lot but cooperates only a little. Hector asks her if it is insignificant the fact that he is bringing her evidence to incriminate Carlos Duarte. Edna says they will do it his way and start with cutting off the heads he proposes. But that once the war starts, there is no going back.
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Thursday, November 28, 2019

Primetime on Univisión (#2): Amor Eterno - Week of Nov. 25, 2019


Greetings, Caraymates!

Welcome to page 2 of Primetime TNs/Series. AnonFri and Clara are doing an outstanding job of providing some very appreciated recaps/details about “Amor Eterno.”  If some other brave soul(s) would like to contribute some highlights or a mini-recap for AE, I’m sure it would be appreciated. You can also add to or clarify scenes/details, especially those that are favs or not-so-favs. The TN covered by this page is:
  • 7-8PM   - Amor Eterno: Ep. 99 (Friday)
Please Note: Evening Univisión TNs will be preempted on Thursday, Nov. 28th due to Fútbol. On Friday, El Dragón will air for 2 hours (from 9-11PM)

Only one TN is being covered by this page for now. Although there is really no need to identify it in your comment, you may continue to do so to avoid confusion in the future. (You can shorten the title to one word, i.e., “Amor”)

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El Dragón #42, 11/27/19: Does it Have to be All About Chisca?

Will Chisca be the instrument of Miggy’s downfall?
Back home in CDMX, Chisca has a sorrowful reunion with Dora. It doesn’t last long. She’s soon at the mercy of Mig’s (righteous) wrath. What was she thinking? She exposed herself and the family once again. She could have been the one who died. She can’t answer his questions directly. He claims he’s only judging her and her behavior. (Ishiro stands behind her, just out of focus.)  Mig mentions how the Prosecuting Attorney has him in her sights at the precise moment she pulls this stunt. Chisca grabs onto whatever she can to absolve herself. “That’s what it’s all about—your businesses. You care nothing about your family. You only care about yourself.” Well, it doesn’t sting Mig the way she had hoped. So she goes for the self-pity. She declares she just lost the only friend she had. Dora welcomes her back into her arms. Ishiro has a stoic look on his face. It can’t be read. Is it pity, anger, concern? Maybe all three.
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TELEMUNDO Y MÁS (#2): El Final del Paraíso, El Señor de los Cielos 7, y más: Week of November 25, 2019

TELEMUNDO WEEKEND EDITION (continuación)

Here's Page 2 for the week.  The current evening telenovelas are as follows (all times are Eastern Standard Time):

•   8-9PM—El Sultán (starts Monday, Dec. 2)**
•   9-10PM—El Final del Paraíso
• 10-11PM—El Señor de los Cielos 7

**A new novela, El Sultán, is scheduled to begin this coming Monday, Dec.2, in the 8 PM time slot. A Turkish novela dubbed into Spanish, El Sultán was inspired by the life of Suleimán the Magnificent, who consolidated the Ottoman Empire. Telemundo offers the following summary: A story full of love, betrayal and intrigues that tells the rise to power of "Suleiman the Magnificent", one of the most important figures in the history of the Ottoman Empire, who assumed power when he was only 26 years old.  "During his conquest of the World, 'Suleiman' will find himself in the midst of a power struggle between the two most influential people in his life, who will unleash a bloody game full of intrigue, conspiracy and death where the final victory will have a high price."  Telemundo also has a short trailer.

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DAYTIME TNs (#2): Y Mañana Será Otro Día, Hijas de la Luna… y Mas - Week of Nov. 25, 2019


Good Day, Caraymates!

Welcome to pg. 2 of our afternoon delights! Join us at our patio; everyone is welcome to provide highlights, summaries, Andycaps, or details of scenes/episodes…we enjoy discussing the different perspectives and thoughts. Questions about specific scenes or dialogues are also very welcome; someone is sure to respond and explain to ensure that you can enjoy the TN(s).

·         2 PM   - Y Mañana Sera Otro Día…Mejor:  Ep. 60-61
·         3 PM   - Hijas de la Luna…Y La Familia Cambio:  Ep. 33

Any daytime novela can be discussed and everyone is welcome to join in the conversation. Friendly reminder to PLEASE put the name of the telenovela you're referring to at the top of your post so readers can easily find the conversations they're looking for. (You can shorten the title to one word, i.e., “Mañana”)
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El Dragón #41, 11/27/19: Lotsa Interruptas Going On

The complete recap for Episode #41 follows. Episode #42 will have its own page. Enjoy!

Petite Rewind
Victor sees Dora pass down the hospital hallway. He thinks he recognizes her. Dora enters Adela’s room and sees her sleeping. She has a pillow and presses it down over Adela’s face. Harder and harder. Adela stirs briefly.

Almohadacide Interruptus
Someone knocks. Dora stows the pillow and hides. It’s El Gato!! He approaches Adela—just wanting to talk. He sees her in distress. Just then doc also interrupts. Dora slips out while he deals with the raggedy interloper. Doc returns to check Adela. She thought she was suffocating. He tells her it was a case of Post Trauma—she inhaled a lot of smoke. Dora has re-entered to check in on Adela. She immediately scolds Ade for telling Mig what she told her not to tell him. It only served to open back up old wounds. Ade tells her she didn’t mean that to happen. She just couldn’t keep quiet about it. She thought she was helping. In the end, Mig thanked her for telling him. Dora scoffs. What else did she think he was going to say?
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Wednesday, November 27, 2019

Weekend Discussion 11/27/19: Comparing Cunas




There are only two versions of this story to my knowledge. The original Cuna de Lobos (1986) was so hugely popular that the streets of Mexico city were dead on the night of its finale. This was also at a time when Televisa had no real competition and there were fewer channels to watch. The story defied previous attempts at a remake due to many changes in scientific research and technology, not to mention a previous attempt by the wrong producer.

I have only seen the original up to episode 52 (out of 85) but even without the later details I agree with everyone that 25 episodes are not enough to tell this story. However, the seeds of a good remake are in the current one due to most of the following changes:

The Larios Family

The current version has most of the family younger than their counterparts in the original. The same age difference between Jose Carlos and Alejandro is in effect. What appears to be different is that the business owned by Carlos in the original is one formed several generations before him instead of by him, so the family's money is much older. In keeping with current trends at Televisa, their residence is more modern in the current version.
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Cuna de lobos, Capitulo 25 Martes Gran Final 11/26/19: Unspeakable



Once in a while one finds a criminal whose evil is not easily explained. Someone like Catalina Creel defies definitions outside of “psychopath.” However, that is too small a word for her. I was raised Catholic, so I still believe that there is unspeakable evil in this world and – sadly – that we cannot explain every example. I do not know whether I believe in reincarnation but if that were true perhaps Catalina is the reincarnation of someone the likes of LiviaDrusilla or perhaps Belle Gunness, who was never caught. – D.D.
Vega's body was zipped into a body bag and wheeled out of the makeshift operating room.
Luis' phone rang with good news. He called José Carlos to tell him that they had succeeded. He took his keys and left.
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El Dragón #40, 11/26/19: Murder she wrote


In the hospital room Adela flatlines. Miguel begins CPR and calls the nurse. Crash cart arrives and the doctor uses the defibrillator several times with no response from Adela. Finally, Miguel gets in there and pounds her chest and her heartbeat returns. The doctor says, “A precordial thump. I haven’t seen that one done in a very long time.”  Miguel smiles.

Edna argues with her boss about investigating Miguel’s business to find out who was the culprit who bombed the place. She wants to confiscate the computers. Her boss says that she is not to investigate the victim, she is to found out who is to blame for this.

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Tuesday, November 26, 2019

El Dragon #39, 11/25/19: Discussion Page

With profound apologies, my cable company's website had major buffering issues with this program last night and the episode isn't posted for On Demand yet.  In fact, their site is two episodes behind on this program today.

All I saw was that:

  • Flaco was badly injured in the left thigh; Peligros has to carry him out
  • Adela was trapped under a beam; Miguel got her out and had to carry her out and went into the ambulance with her (I'm imagining that Jimena was royally pissed)
  • Pig was gloating
  • Lots of smoke in the air  and how toxic is it?

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Monday, November 25, 2019

Cuna de lobos, Capitulo 24 Lunes 11/25/19: Unbelievable



Many of the cleverest and some of the most hardened criminals are sometimes confounded by the presence of true evil. It is therefore shocking when one encounters true evil face to face and fails to see it for what it is. Being oblivious to it is worse than being shocked by it because that is when one is truly dead. – D.D.
Catalina spoke with Vega as he was getting into the all-terrain vehicle.
I will see you tomorrow and I will have another little job for you.”
I'm glad to hear you're more calm,” he said. “I'll have things to tell you.” He ended the call and told the driver to take him to the airport.
She wasted no time for the next step.
At your service, Señora Creel,” said the voice on her phone.
Proceed immediately with the preparations, Doctor,” she told him.
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Primetime on Univisión (#1): Amor Eterno - Week of Nov. 25, 2019


Greetings, Caraymates!

Welcome to page 1 of Primetime TNs/Series. AnonFri and Clara are doing an outstanding job of providing some very appreciated recaps/details about “Amor Eterno.”  If some other brave soul(s) would like to contribute some highlights or a mini-recap for AE, I’m sure it would be appreciated. You can also add to or clarify scenes/details, especially those that are favs or not-so-favs. The TN covered by this page is:
  • 7-8PM   - Amor Eterno: Ep. 96-98
Please Note: Evening Univisión TNs will be preempted on Thursday, Nov. 28th due to Fútbol. On Wednesday and Friday, El Dragón will air for 2 hours (from 9-11PM).

Only one TN is being covered by this page for now. Although there is really no need to identify it in your comment, you may continue to do so to avoid confusion in the future. (You can shorten the title to one word, i.e., “Amor”)

Discussion pages will be posted on Mondays and Thursdays at 9PM.
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TELEMUNDO Y MÁS (#1): El Final del Paraíso, El Señor de los Cielos 7, y más: Week of November 25, 2019

Welcome to Page #1 (Monday edition) of the Telemundo y Más page, issued twice a week: Mondays and Thursdays at 8:00 PM.

Here are the current evening telenovelas (all times are Eastern Standard Time):

• 9-10PM—El Final del Paraíso
• 10-11PM—El Señor de los Cielos 7

Everyone is welcome to join in the conversation.  Since discussions of all the Telemundo novelas share the same page, please remember to put the name of the telenovela you're referring to at the top of your post, so readers can easily find the conversations they're looking for.

By common agreement, this group DOES NOT discuss previews, trailers, or any other plot information not found in a current or past episode of the current production. Spoilers WILL be removed by the admin. This includes reference to earlier productions of the story, and even the original novel. Thanks for your cooperation!

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